Talk:Lisa the Skeptic/Archive 1

Archive 1

Commentary

Do you still need it? -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 18:20, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

I'd like that. Alientraveller 19:38, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm currently in the process of listening to every commentary for an episode with an extended Flanders appearance, so I'll work my way towards it in a few hours. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 19:40, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Rough Commentary Information

Here's the rough commentary info, do with it as you will. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 20:30, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

David X. Cohen got the idea while on a trip to the East Coast where he visited the Museum of Natural History in New York City and he decided to turn it into a "business trip" by thinking of an episode with a connection to the museum. His original idea was that Lisa finds a "missing link" skeleton and a big Scopes Trial-esque trial ensues. It was George Meyer who suggested that it be the skeleton of an Angel. (Cohen)

In an early draft of the script, it was revealed that the skeleton was made of baked pasty dough, which had been made by the mall's window dresser. (Cohen)

In the original draft, Cohen had written Steven Jay Gould's part as being a generic scientist or paleontologist, not knowing that they would eventually get Gould. He had taken Gould's Introduction to Paleontology class at Harvard University. (Cohen)

The only line Gould had objected to was a line that introduced him as the "world's most brilliant paleontologist" (Scully) His original final line was "I didn't do the test. I had more important work to do" but was cut because the writers felt it would be better to give him a short final line. Also, some thought it was too mean. (Cohen)

Also in the original draft, "then ending came down more in Lisa's favor" and Marge ended up apologising to Lisa. (Cohen)

• Thank you! Cirt 23:44, 31 October 2007 (UTC).
  • I hope you don't mind if I add some of these sentences verbatim to the article. They are pretty well structured as far as the syntax you used here. Cirt 00:10, 1 November 2007 (UTC).
    • Sure, go ahead. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 00:13, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

GA on hold?

Alientraveller (talk · contribs), I saw you put the GA on hold, but I don't see any comments of what you would like us to do to get the article up to GA status? Cirt 23:46, 31 October 2007 (UTC).

He said in the above "Commentary" section that he's waiting until the commentary information is added. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 23:53, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Oh. Okay. Yeah, I had only added the small bit I had listened to from the beginning of the episode, so I will expand that. I assume that this all goes in the Production section? Cirt 00:00, 1 November 2007 (UTC).

Yes. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 00:05, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

•  Done -- Hope it's GA passable at this point. Thanks again for the commentary notes. Cirt 00:18, 1 November 2007 (UTC).

Excelllent, you passed. Alientraveller 11:12, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

• Thank you. Looking at The Trouble With Trillions, it looks like it might be harder to find good sources. Cirt 11:16, 1 November 2007 (UTC).

Unsourced Cultural references and Trivia

• I moved this unsourced stuff from the article here to the talk page. If you find a source for something, add it back into the article, with a WP:RS citation in WP:CIT formatting, and put a check next to it here using {{done}}. Thanks. Cirt 02:01, 28 October 2007 (UTC).

Cultural references

• Some elements of the story are shared with Gabriel García Márquez's short story "A Very Old Man with Enormous Wings". Both feature the appearance of an angel who is at some point put on display for paying visitors. The story also bears a resemblance to the Cardiff Giant, a real-life hoax.
• Springfield's Dumbest Criminal program is similar to the TV show America's Dumbest Criminals.
• The blue whale that hangs in the Springfield Museum is much like the one that hangs in real life at the American Museum of Natural History.
• Homer's song for the angel is much like Handel's composition Hallelujah Chorus.
• The magazine Lisa is reading when the sun goes down is Scientific American.
• The robot fleeing the burning building is Professor Frink's robot Floyd from "Treehouse of Horror VIII".
• When Lisa and her schoolmates are digging up the skeleton there's a scene with a sunset that is clearly a reference to the Indiana Jones film Raiders of the Lost Ark.
• The gathering of the townspeople on a hill to await the end may be a reference to the Great Disappointment, a prediction of the end of the world in 1844 that led to the modern Adventist movement in Christianity.

Trivia

• The angel statue appears as a collector card in the third mission in the video game The Simpsons Hit & Run.
• When they are waiting for sundown, Hibbert's wife appears yellow.
• When the skeleton appears for the first time it has bones which represent wings on his entire arms, in the next shot he only has them on his forearms.
• In one scene, Moe claims he is paralyzed when he is crushed by a mammoth tusk. In the next scene, Moe is seen running with the crowd
• This is one of the many times that Ralph Wiggum mispronounces Principal Skinner's name as Prinskipper Skippal, Prinnippal Skimster!
• Marge claims that Lisa was more scared than she admitted, because she was gripping her (Marge's) hand pretty hard, but in the earlier shot Lisa was clinging to Marge's legs.

Comment

• Found a source for the Gabriel García Márquez short story "A Very Old Man with Enormous Wings" info, added it to the article. Cirt 17:23, 2 December 2007 (UTC).

VR vs. ARG

This article states that "Author Joley Wood compared "Lisa the Skeptic" to an alternate reality game".

Shouldn't "alternate reality game" link to alternate reality game instead of virtual reality? --Jedravent (talk) 18:18, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

•  Done - Thanks. Cirt (talk) 19:11, 25 November 2007 (UTC).

FA status

• -- Thank you to everyone who helped out in getting this article up to FA status. Cirt (talk) 14:02, 13 December 2007 (UTC).

Evolution, Evolutionism

Sorry, you're right, Evolution is the better word there. Cirt (talk) 17:00, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Cite

• Booker, M. Keith (2006). Drawn to Television: Prime-Time Animation from the Flintstones to Family Guy. Greenwood Press. pp. Page 65. ISBN 0275990192.

Will check to see if there's some significant commentary here that could be used somewhere else in the article. Cirt (talk) 12:24, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Protect this article?

It has gone through a ridiculous amount of vandalism today. Thegreatelgrande (talk) 20:39, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

I'm skeptical about protection because pages usually aren't protected on WP:TFA-day. — Cirt (talk) 20:42, 4 November 2013 (UTC)