Talk:Lionel Brough

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Did you know... that 19th-century actor Lionel Brough played the character Tony Lumpkin in She Stoops to Conquer 7,777 times?

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Haymarket in 1896?

An editor added the following: "In 1896 he was a member of the ensemble for King Henry IV, part 1 at the Haymarket Theatre." Can you support this with a reference? See WP:V and WP:CITE. Best regards, -- Ssilvers (talk) 15:29, 26 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Policeman X24

I moved the following information from the article. Can anyone verify it? If so, it needs some clean-up:

One of Brough's most popular and recognisable characters was Constable Robert Roberts, 'Policeman X24', an early example of the archetypical British bobby, which he presented at concerts and benefit performances.^[1] X24 would be the vehicle for Brough to entertain an audience with banter and comic songs. He was often given similar roles and a short play, 'Off Duty', which premiered during the run of 'The Babes' in 1884, with Brough in the role of the Sergeant Bloss, was written for him by T. Edgar Pemberton.^[2]

^ eg The Era 25 April 1869; Dundee Courier, 24 May 1869; Bell's Life 11 Jan 1873; Sporting Times 9 December 1882)
^ 'The Babes' handbill, Mander Mitchenson Collection

Thanks, -- Ssilvers (talk) 20:10, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It is partly correct. The first part, about PC X24 is right, and the first two of the four purported citations are fine. I can find no mention in the Bell's Life edition of the date cited, and only a mention of Brough – not the character – in the issue of The Sporting Times quoted. I have substituted a verified citation which mentions a benefit. I have also (sigh!) added the page references that the earlier editor neglected to include.

The second part is misleading. Off Duty did not premiere during the run of The Babes: they opened together on 9 September at Toole's Theatre. Nor was Ben Bloss a similar role to PC X24: The Morning Post, (11 September 1884, p. 5) said, "Mr Lionel Brough has a pathetic part, which he plays with earnestness and feeling."

I think X24 is an important enough feature of Brough's repertory to merit inclusion, and I suggest something like this:

One of Brough's popular and recognisable characters was Constable Robert Roberts, "Policeman X24", an early example of the archetypical British bobby, which he presented at concerts and benefit performances.[ref]See, for example, The Era, 25 April 1869, p. 9; Dundee Courier, 24 May 1869, p. 1; and "Mr. G. W. Moore's Benefit", The Era, 3 May 1874, p. 11[/ref] X24 was a vehicle for Brough to entertain an audience with banter and comic songs. In contrast, Brough also played a serious role as a policeman in an 1884 one-act play, Off Duty, as Sergeant Ben Bloss, in which, The Morning Post said, "Mr Lionel Brough has a pathetic part, which he plays with earnestness and feeling."[ref]The Morning Post, 11 September 1884, p. 5[/ref]

I'm not convinced that the second sentence is as notable as the first, but would be happy to let it pass if others think fit. – Tim riley (talk) 07:55, 5 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I added the Tim riley version to the article with minor tweaks. Seems good to me, except it's vague as to the time period. Can we say: "... which he presented at concerts and benefit performances from the late 1860s until the mid-1870s", or did he continue doing it later? -- Ssilvers (talk) 16:31, 5 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Shall rummage in the archives and amend according to what I dig up. – Tim riley (talk) 20:15, 5 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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[1] The Era 25 April 1869; Dundee Courier, 24 May 1869; Bell's Life 11 Jan 1873; Sporting Times 9 December 1882)

[2] 'The Babes' handbill, Mander Mitchenson Collection

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