Talk:Lindley Hall Farm

Lindley Hall Farm was nominated as a Geography and places good article, but it did not meet the good article criteria at the time (November 25, 2022, reviewed version). There are suggestions on the review page for improving the article. If you can improve it, please do; it may then be renominated.

GA Review

Unsuccessful. Etrius ( Us) 02:16, 25 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Reviewer: Etriusus (talk · contribs) 17:52, 17 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, lets get this reviewed. Just a cursory glance has me worried about the completeness of the article. 6k bytes might be pushing some limits. There is nothing that inherently disqualifies shorter pages, but the smallest GA I've even seen is [1]. A glance at the sources tell me there is more information that could be added. I'll give it a full review just for posterity's sake but do not foresee it passing.

General

Add a short description. Consider Wikipedia:Shortdesc helper if you haven't already.

Added. Arkansore (talk) 21:27, 17 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This could use an infobox

I have added one, hopefully it's sufficient. Arkansore (talk) 21:59, 17 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Page seems stable, no concerns observed in edit history
Image rights look good, image layout could use some work. Consider a gallery template
The structure needs retooling. The idea of it being the center of England comes before the 'dispute section' and is therefore missing crucial context. The layout as a whole feels arbitrary, rather than having discrete topics.

Copy-vios

Lindley Hall Farm is a farm located near the villages of Fenny Drayton and Higham on the Hill in Leicestershire, England.

Thanks, I changed that sentence, let me know if it's still a copyvio or if I should alter it more. Arkansore (talk) 21:26, 17 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sourcing

what makes [2] reliable? Seems promotional.

Removed the source. Arkansore (talk) 14:55, 24 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

FNs 1 and 7 are duplicates, just condense the notes in the citation

Done. Arkansore (talk) 14:55, 24 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

FN 6 is a blog but I'm inclined to accept it under WP:BLOG since its an expert, self-published source.
Here [3] is a historical magazine with alot of information that could be added
[4] another source to consider

Prose

Per MOS:LEAD, this should be expanded.
Per MOS:LEADCITE you should move the citations/new info from the lead to the body of the article. You only cite in the lead if there is a fact or claim that may be contentious or divisive. See Qanon, another GA I reviewed, as an example of when to added lead citations.
Five years after the owner of the Lindley Hall estate, Lieutenant Commander Francis Eyre RN, died, Lindley Hall was ultimately demolished, being one of the country houses and estates in the Nuneaton area to fall victim to redevelopment. This sentence needs to be retooled

Changed. Arkansore (talk) 21:43, 20 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Despite this, the name of Lindley Hall Farm would live on and would remain a remnant of the past. Source missing
"Farmer" family, you're bringing up the Farmers before establishing they're owners. Please establish that Stephen Farmer is the owner earlier in the prose.

Now mentioned in the lead. Arkansore (talk) 15:01, 24 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

'be farmed for' strange and repetitive terminology

Changed wording. Arkansore (talk) 21:51, 20 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

" wishes nevertheless" sentence should be reworded

Reworded. Arkansore (talk) 19:12, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

add Centre points of the United Kingdom to a see also section
FN 6 has a lot of information about the process of determining the center.

I can see you're a new editor. This page would quick-fail under normal circumstances but I've found myself at a crossroads with no pending project at the moment. If you would prefer to have me fail the page and then help you here with your first GA nom, I'm more than happy to do that. Be forewarned that, if I help you work on the page, I am disqualified from doing a GA review for this page and cannot help in any significant way as long as I am the reviewer. There are a number of issues with this article and I would rather help you figure this out than just wash may hands of the matter. It's up to you. If you think you can manage to fix these issues within 7 days, then I'll give you an opportunity. Etrius ( Us) 17:52, 17 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Arkansore Just pinging you to see how its going. There is only 1 1/2 days left for the review and I just want to see how you're doing in regards to getting the page worked on. If you need more time or have any concerns please let me know. Etrius ( Us) 03:44, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, I think I'm ready for the article to be reviewed now. Thanks for letting me know Arkansore (talk) 15:35, 24 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Second pass

File:Lindley Hall from Lake Tiny (cropped).jpg is a tagged as a CC-BY-NC-ND 3.0 license by its source, not the CC BY-SA 3.0 license you supplied. CC-BY-NC-ND 3.0 is not acceptable on wikipedia. What is/isn't acceptable.

I can see a public domain (before 1927) license work but the current license is incorrect and not compliant with policy.

The History section is missing substantial amounts of information as noted above.

That same source (FN 1) is heavily underutilized and makes this page fail criteria 3b. Not even a mention of the RAF airfield???

Again, please review MOS:LEAD. The Lead needs to be expanded substantially.
Why is the gallery half way through the page? Put it at the bottom and use a level 2 header, not a subsection header.
Having been in ownership of the Farmer family, When did it come into the Farmer's ownership?

The passive voice introduction of this fact makes it very jarring. Switch to active voice or give more information.

Techincally, 'owned by Stephen Farmer.' isn't properly sourced in the lead since here it says 'Farmer family'.

File:Meriden cross plaque 1951.jpg move this up
In October 2002, using global satellite positioning,[3] the Ordnance Survey initiated a study to find the geographical centre of England, challenging previous myths that the geographical centre of England was located in places such as Meriden in the West Midlands, approximately 11 kilometres to the south of Lindley Hall Farm, which had traditionally claimed to be the geographical centre of England, having a 500-year-old monument claiming the title. one massive run on sentence
for the proposed geographical central point of England repetitive, just say 'the farm'
However, the current owner of the farm, Stephen Farmer, wishes for the farm to be turned into a tourist attraction,[6] as well as Steve Wegerif, chairman of Hinckley and Bosworth Tourism Partnership, saying that it "seems only right" that the centre of England is located in the farm[5] and that it was "fantastic for the centre to be officially recognised and have it marked in the county."[6] another run on sentence
several places are continuing to claim this status. reword
by many who? this is a WP:WEASEL
however, it is not known where the basis for this claim came from statement not supported by the source

@Arkansore I will be failing the page at this time. It appears a number of concerns from the first pass have yet to be corrected. My offer still stands if you would like any help in continuing to improve the article to GA status. My main concern is the prose and its lack of content. The hinckleypastpresent.org source gives a year-by-year account of the history of the Hall that used to stand on the property and much of what the property was used for, dating back to 1444!!!

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Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV ()

3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant ()

Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.