Talk:Lindisfaras

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Sources?

Much as I like to see Anglo-Saxon history being expanded on Wikipedia, I have failed to find any mention of "Lindisfaras" in the only source that you cite for this article, i.e. the Blackwell Encyclopaedia! Since "Lindisfaras" isn't actually a heading in the Encyclopaedia, that really needs fixing - either by citing a page, or, failing that, by citing a different source that actually mentions "Lindisfaras". The only relevant tribal name I have seen in the Encyclopaedia is "Lindesfarona", sourced from the Tribal Hidage (Encyclopaedia, p.289). Nor have I seen any explicit reference there to Lindsey's absorption by Mercia in the 8th century, it's only mentioned as a possibility that Lindsey existed until then, if it didn't disappear in the 7th. But it looks like there are a few modern sources cited in the Encyclopaedia from which this article could be expanded, at least a little. Is that the plan? Nortonius (talk) 13:25, 27 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies for not picking this up sooner. The page was created as a marker linking back to the Peoples of Anglo-Saxon Mercia Category, repeating and expanding on information from the Kingdom of Lindsey article. More sources are needed, and the plan was to come back and add them as I pick them up (assuming I'm not beaten to it in the mean time). There are plenty of references to Lindisfaras existing up to the 7th Century, and according to Bede, Diuma was made Bishop of the Mercians, the Lindisfaras and the Middle Angles in 655 (under Oswiu), which indicated that it was subordinate to Northumbria or Mercia at that time, and under the Wulfhere heading in the Encyclopaedia the King of Mercia exercises episcopal control over the area. Metabaronic (talk) 23:17, 5 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No need to apologise, since you have picked it up, and anyway I'm "just another editor"! All sounds good, look forward to seeing how this progresses, and contributing if I can. Yes, I seem to remember Bede mentioning Diuma as one of four named, Northumbrian priests who came south, explicitly owing to a "lack of priests" south of the Humber - but then maybe he would say that, being Northumbrian! So, politics will have been involved. And I support your change of the Encyclopaedia ref to the Wulfhere heading, as regards those politics. But I've just had another look at Bede in Latin, and the only form he uses of the tribal name is the genitive plural "Lindisfarorum", of which the nominative singular and plural would've been "Lindisfarus" and "Lindisfari" respectively - I don't mean to be difficult, by the way, just trying to pin down "Lindisfaras" in what I have to hand: on the basis of Bede's testimony, "Lindisfaras" makes perfect sense as an Anglo-Saxon tribal name, I just haven't seen it yet, except in "that map", which I've used myself (e.g for Medeshamstede). Onwards and upwards, then, and good luck with it! Nortonius (talk) 02:15, 6 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Lindisfaras is given in the sources I have seen as both a place name and the name of the tribe, although the root tribe mentioned in my Oxford Dictionary of English Place-Names is Lindes (Lindsey), and the fara (or faren) in Lindisfarne refers to them as "Travellers from Lindes". Like you, I'm having trouble tracking down an origin for the term, but I'm loathe to change the tribe name to Lindes when Lindisfaras seems to be the term in common usage across all secondary sources. Metabaronic (talk) 00:36, 8 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Bede?

Bit worried about the reference to "Bede, Ecclesiastical History, IV, 21, p. 240." The Wikisource version of that reference does not seem to say anything about this topic, though generally in book 4 it refers to "the Lindsey People" which seems like a modern version of Lindisfaras. Was IV,21 the reference intended?--Robert EA Harvey (talk) 16:43, 16 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]