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Any additional editing must comply with WP policies. See WP:BLP --Greenmaven (talk) 06:34, 8 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Birthdate on Linda Jaivin

The following is copied from User talk:JackofOz:

Hi Jack. Editor Elbeejay appears to have used a User Name which represents the initials for L (B) Jaivin. She comments in an edit summary that it is an article about her. I have assumed this to be the case, and that she knows her own birthdate better than the source you are using. I would be interested to hear your thoughts. --Greenmaven (talk) 02:20, 10 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. I'm prepared to accept that Elbeejay is Linda Jaivin. But she must be prepared to accept that our protocols require a WP:Reliable source for details on WP:BLPs, and my personal opinion of Elbeejay's identity does not enter into it. The only source I've been able to find says 27 May. We'd need a proper source for any different date. WP:COI is another reason why we should give less weight to things that subjects post about themselves. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 03:54, 10 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

How often can we expect to find a reliable source that reveals someone's DOB? Isn't this a case where a reliable source is only required when a piece of info can reasonably be challenged. You have conceded "Elbeejay is Linda Jaivin". I am saying - she is the most reliable source we will ever find. As you must surely agree, the vast majority of DOB's on WP have no supporting reference. --Greenmaven (talk) 04:33, 10 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Er, no, I do not agree with that at all. And as I said, my personal opinion on whether Elbeejay is or is not Linda Jaivin has absolutely nothing to do with anything. I just said, for the record, that I'm prepared to accept she is - but basically, so what? It comes down to this: we have a reliable source for a certain date, and we have an editor who claims to be the subject who disagrees with that date. In such a conflict, the RS will always win. That's how Wikipedia works: we base all our articles on reliable secondary information published by reputable publishers. "Elbeejay", as such, has not published anything, to my knowledge. If she can point us to, or if you can find, another published source that supports her assertion, we can revisit the matter. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 04:42, 10 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there. I just left a comment in the wrong place (still getting used to the editing process!) but it's to say that it does feel slightly absurd to be arguing about my own birthday. I don't want to upload my passport for obvious reasons (fear of identity theft etc) and don't know how else to prove it - perhaps you could contact the births and deaths register in New London, Connecticut, where I was born (in the Lawrence and Memorial Hospital) on 27 March 1955. But if you can't do that, and don't believe I'm me (fair enough, I appreciate the stringency) then I'll just watch the mistake multiply through the cyberverse as journalists take Wikipedia for a reliable source and enjoy the fact that you've made me two months younger.Elbeejay (talk) 07:40, 10 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Elbeejay. I see that the real Linda Jaivin also says on her own site that her birthday is 27 March. I hope you appreciate that Linda Jaivin's word about Linda Jaivin's birthdate carries more weight than Wikipedia User:Elbeejay's word about Linda Jaivin's birthdate. We have only Elbeejay's word that she and Ms Jaivin are identical, and I'm sure you appreciate just how easy it is for anyone to claim to be someone they're not. That's why people's claims about themselves are generally considered not watertight, and why we require a reputable independent source to confirm the claims.

As for Wikipedia's users being mislead about Ms Jaivin (OK, about you), we can point to the external source we're basing the birthdate on and direct readers to take the matter up with that publication. That's because we do not make anything up here; we simply relay what actual reliable external sources have said on any given topic. As there seems to be, apart from your own website, only the one online source that shows your birthdate at all, and they've got it wrong, it looks like you need to be spreading the word about your personal details a little bit more than you've done to date. That's if you want people to know the actual truth about you. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 08:47, 10 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

This discussion should have been conducted at Talk:Linda Jaivin. Notwithstanding WP:PRIMARY, shouldn't Jaivin's web site giving 27 March settle the matter for the time being? In the long run, I agree with Jack that the author should publicise her true DoB if she wants to counter the wrong information in the cited Bibliography of Australian Literature: F–J. e.g. why isn't it mentioned here? -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 12:44, 10 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Michael. I have no objections to changing the date based on the author's website. She is agreeing with our source as far as the year 1955 is concerned, and is picking up on an easily-made typo (May --> Mar). As she publishes the day 27 Mar on her own site, case closed as far as I'm concerned. I will copy this discussion to Talk:Linda Jaivin. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 17:15, 10 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you everyone for the correction to my birthday. Much appreciated! And by the way, Michael, it's not usual practice for agents to list their authors' birthdays on their websites, so its absence there is nothing strange. But I love the way that this process works. Cheers to all. Linda Elbeejay (talk) 21:57, 10 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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