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A fact from Limonana appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 31 May 2012 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Limonana, a lemon and mint drink that is widely popular in the Middle East, was invented by an advertising agency?

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POV pushing and Israeli bias

User:Yallayallaletsgo has turned the page into a paean to Israeli cuisine in a long series of edits on March 17 and 19, 2020. As has been seen from edits throughout the article's history, this is not a uniquely Israeli product and should not be presented as such. I have restored the original image from a restaurant in Damascus and have basically restored the original text before Yallayallaletsgo's input of cherry-picked sources from the Jewish media. I have left the "Popularity in Israel" section, though this reads like quite breathless prose at times and should be toned down to meet WP:NPOV. Any ideas for new text or focus should be discussed here on the talk page and WP:CONSENSUS reached before making wholesale changes to the article. Thank you, Yoninah (talk) 18:16, 21 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The only reference that stated this is a Syrian, Cypriot, Egyptian, Lebanese, etc Drink was a defunct blog that was also a WordPreas site, which I do not think would qualify as a reliable source. Thus I have removed this source. I added numerous reliable sources which stated this was an Israeli invention, including but not limited to Ha'aretz, The Forward, various books, magazines and newspapers. Yet they were removed in favor of a blog? (unsigned comment by 2020-03-21T19:23:27‎ Yallayallaletsgo)

Merge with Mint Lemonade

I do not believe limonana is a "uniquely Israeli product", rather as is evidenced by the citations listed on this page; it is a unique Israeli variant of mint lemonade. If this is just a drink which is commonly known by this name in the Middle East, and is not a unique beverage on it's own as you imply; then I don’t see why this isn’t merged with the article mint lemonade? The image from a restaurant in Damascus lists the drink as Mint Lemonade, so maybe that would be the best course of action? I would be open to hearing your opinion on this, as well as other editors such as Macrakis, etc. (unsigned comment by 2020-03-21T19:23:27‎ Yallayallaletsgo)

Actually, that's your best idea yet. We can redirect this page to Mint lemonade and include a short paragraph under "Israel" with the etymology and the various ways it's prepared. Forget the history and all the product-plugging and restaurant name-dropping, and especially not the whole section on Yom Haatzmaut which makes limonana sound like the centerpiece of the show. (Honestly, that's the only thing served at mangals?) Yoninah (talk) 23:29, 21 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. I have started by streamlining the current page a bit. --Macrakis (talk) 17:31, 22 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Here is a suggestion for a paragraph to be added to Mint lemonade, under "National varieties":

===Middle East===

Mint lemonade, known as limonana, is a popular summer drink in Egypt, Israel, Cyprus, Jordan, Lebanon, Palestine, and Syria. The mint leaves may be muddled, infused in sugar syrup, or puréed with a blender.^[1] It is served as an iced beverage, as a smoothie,^[2] and as a slush.^[3] It is been incorporated into sorbet^[4] and yogurt.^[5] Limonana is also used as a mixer; alcoholic variants of the drink may contain arak or tequila.^[6]^[7]^[8]

Yoninah (talk) 20:18, 22 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

^ Cite error: The named reference forward was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
^ "Ice Limonana – Mint lemonade, the drink of the Israeli summer". Cafe Liz. 4 July 2010. Retrieved 28 May 2012.
^ "The Frozen Seat". Da'at Travel. Archived from the original on 7 July 2012. Retrieved 28 May 2012.
^ Moskowitz, Laurie (11 January 2011). "The New Basics". Jewish Telegraphic Agency. Archived from the original on 7 June 2012. Retrieved 28 May 2012.
^ טרה משיקה משקאות יוגורט פרי עם תוספים בריאותיים [Tara Produces Fruit Yogurt Drinks With Healthy Additives] (in Hebrew). Ynet. 18 June 2002. Retrieved 28 May 2012.
^ "Tourist Tip #16 / Arak". Ha’aretz. Retrieved 17 March 2020.
^ "Tourist Tip #34 / Alcoholic Drinks". Haaretz. Retrieved 17 March 2020.
^ Buzelan, Shira. "Arak-spiked 'limonana' with tapas for Independence Day". The Times of Israel. Retrieved 21 March 2020.

I've completed the merger into Mint lemonade. I didn't see any particular reason to divide the article into national or regional sections, as the recipe seems to be pretty much the same from Israel to France to Chile. There are of course variants, but we don't have any evidence that they're aligned with countries or regions. --Macrakis (talk) 23:49, 22 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

More information needed

The article needs more information on what exactly limonana is -- is it prepared in a blender so that the mint is ground up as the photos seem to show? Or is it a generic term for any lemon juice and mint drink?
The lead says that it is made of "fresh-squeezed" lemon juice, but later, the article says that it is also sold bottled, so apparently that is not a defining feature.
It's not clear why we need to mention specific restaurants and bars that serve it. --Macrakis (talk) 20:29, 21 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

[forward-1] Cite error: The named reference forward was invoked but never defined (see the help page).

[liz-2] "Ice Limonana – Mint lemonade, the drink of the Israeli summer". Cafe Liz. 4 July 2010. Retrieved 28 May 2012.

[3] "The Frozen Seat". Da'at Travel. Archived from the original on 7 July 2012. Retrieved 28 May 2012.

[4] Moskowitz, Laurie (11 January 2011). "The New Basics". Jewish Telegraphic Agency. Archived from the original on 7 June 2012. Retrieved 28 May 2012.

[5] טרה משיקה משקאות יוגורט פרי עם תוספים בריאותיים [Tara Produces Fruit Yogurt Drinks With Healthy Additives] (in Hebrew). Ynet. 18 June 2002. Retrieved 28 May 2012.

[6] "Tourist Tip #16 / Arak". Ha’aretz. Retrieved 17 March 2020.

[7] "Tourist Tip #34 / Alcoholic Drinks". Haaretz. Retrieved 17 March 2020.

[8] Buzelan, Shira. "Arak-spiked 'limonana' with tapas for Independence Day". The Times of Israel. Retrieved 21 March 2020.

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