Talk:Liberation Army of Dagestan

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Could you please provide any information about this "Army". Who was its leader? How many members were in this "army"? When it operated? To my best knowledge this "Army" simply does not exist.Biophys (talk) 04:15, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Added some more info and references. Offliner (talk) 13:06, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

What is the "Caucasian accent"? This doesn't make much sense in English. Colchicum (talk) 12:43, 14 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

improvements

There's a few things wrong with this article regarding neutrality and the sources. I will add some more information and attempt to adress the issues. First it said "Russian and international news agencies received three calls from supposed members of the Army" This was actually two, and one of them said he was the leader, not just a member. The third call did not mention any liberation army.

The second problem is the supposed quote from Khattab. Helen Womack quotes Khattab who said that Dagestanis were responsible for the explosions because of the terror bombing of the three villages in central dagestan, but this quote was actually from Basayev. I've searched it up everywhere, and everywhere it's attributed to Basayev, and nowhere else to Khattab. I cannot find it in any interview either, so it seems obvious that Womack quoted it wrongfully. With the redflag policy in mind I think this should therefore be ommited unless somebody can provide another source.

Then there's the line that says After the Russians had repelled an attack by Chechen warlords in Dagestan in early August, 1999, the Liberation army of Dagestan reportedly issued a warning that it would resort to the use of explosives in Russia were anyone to encroach on their communities.[1] I would say that this refers to the phone call claim from september 2 (the initial source made en error stating that the blast happpened on september 5, it happened 31st of august) but the source by Hale says "before september". Another thing Hale might refer to is the passage from reddaway and glinski about the dagestani villages:

In the spring of 1998, the Wahhabis set up organs of self-rule and their own militia; they also declared the area off-limits to the police and other officials, and started fortifying it. In August 1998, a Russian journalist filed an illuminating report from the area, elaborating on these preparations and warning that the authorities under no circumstances should use or threaten to use force against the villagers. If they did, he wrote, there would be all-out war and "everything would burn up in that fire." Shortly thereafter, perhaps in response to his article, Interior Minister Stepashin personally visited Karamakhi and talked with the village's leaders.

Other than that I can find nothing in reddaway and glinski's book about any threats before september 1999. Grey Fox (talk) 20:07, 14 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I do not think Womack mixed up Basayev's and Khattab's words. Here's the full quote:

The Caucasian connection immediately drew attention to Shamil Basayev, the Chechen warlord leading the fight in Dagestan, who first attained notoriety in Russia by taking civilians hostage in a hospital. He denied involvement in the bombings, saying that hurting civilians was not his style. But his comrade, the fighter Amir al-Khattab, said the attacks were a response to what the Russians had done in Karamakhi and Chabanmakhi, two Dagestani villages where followers of the Wahhabi sect were living until federal forces bombed them out this month.

Note the wording: "But his komrade..." From this wording, it is clear to me that it is impossible that he attributed Basayev's words to Khattab. Therefore I would not remove this sourced information from the article. Offliner (talk) 21:22, 18 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Murphy

I don't think the following is true: "the Liberation Army of Dagestan is the same as Al-Khattab's Islamic Army of Dagestan". I haven't read anything about the "Liberation Army of Dagestan" in the reports by Russian officials or reports of the apartment bombing trials. I suggest removing it unless there's a better source than Murphy, because I do not believe Murphy is a reliable source. I've only found two reviews on him and they were both very negative. Machinarium (talk) 18:34, 2 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]