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When will this be available in the US with a Diesel Engine ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.185.123.148 (talk • contribs)

I'm not sure if this vehicle ever will be offered in the US with diesel engines. Lexus only offers diesels in Europe; hybrids are offered on the RX. Maybe the next gen GX? Enigma3542002 19:05, 8 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Lexus GX in North America

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Lexus GX will replaced Toyota Land Cruiser Prado in North American market. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.137.229.58 (talk • contribs)

For the North American market there never was a Land Cruiser Prado. This model is all-new for North America. --KJRehberg (talk) 16:36, 12 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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Mid-size or full-size

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Recently a couple of editors have changed it from full-size to mid-size. It straddles the border of the US definition of mid/full-size and is well above the maximum length and width for mid-size in Japan. The US definition of mid-size is a wheelbase of 105–110 in (2,667–2,794 mm). The 109.8 inch wheelbase J120 is just on the mid-size side and the 112.2 inch J150 is just on the full-size side. For the Japan definition, mid-size includes cars that have a length of less than 4.7 m and width less than 1.7 m and height less than 2 m. Both the J120 and J150 exceed the length and width limits of mid-size, therefore they are full-size under Japanese law. From this, I conclude that the GX is full-size and not mid-size. Thoughts?  Stepho  talk  21:05, 28 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

A rebadged 4Runner isn't a full-size SUV. 137.25.35.93 (talk) 02:05, 26 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Just to reinform you, the Ford Explorer, Chevy Traverse, Dodge Durango, VW Atlas, and even likes of the GMC Acadia and Ford Edge would now be considered full-size SUVs, just by the way you defined wheelbase.. smh 137.25.35.93 (talk) 02:17, 26 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The Prado isn't a rebadged 4Runner. Just because it is slightly smaller than the Land Cruiser / Lexus LX, doesn't mean it falls below the full-size class. Perhaps those other vehicles should be classified as full-size.  Stepho  talk  03:51, 26 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

If I edit another SUV article (the RR Sport has a wheelbase of 115", same as the full-size RR) and call it full size instead of mid size, and that edit DOESN'T get reverted, then I will be more than happy to call the GX full size as well. 2600:1012:B054:44A:7F9F:589:6508:DFC7 (talk) 04:39, 26 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

That might be proving your point. Or it might be proving that editors of other articles are not paying attention or are making mistakes. In other words, it proves nothing. Only by facts (such as official EPA classification criteria), reasoned arguments and discussion can you show it to be true or not. At best, other articles can only be used to get more facts and reasoned arguments from their discussion pages - but not final conclusions. Only on project pages (such as Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Automobiles) and guideline pages (such as Wikipedia:Manual of Style) can you spread a consensus across many pages.  Stepho  talk  06:30, 26 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Lexus already confirmed that it was midsize. http://pressroom.lexus.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=1813

Positioned between the brand's LX 570 premium luxury utility vehicle and unibody-based RX models, the 2010 GX 460 combines “right sized” midsize packaging with family-friendly comfort and premium craftsmanship. The GX 460 has a standard seven-passenger configuration. Once again built with rugged body-on-frame construction, the 2010 GX 460 is also equipped with full-time four-wheel drive and the advanced Kinetic Dynamic Suspension System (KDSS) to help provide both exceptional on-road ride and handling and true off-road capability.

Nice reference. However, there are 2 points to worry about in your Lexus USA reference. The first is that it is a manufacturer claiming it, not an official body. It may or may not be true but we don't know that just from the claim. Manufacturers have been known to, um, stretch the facts or to at least choose which of many competing standards to choose from. A claim from an official body would help, although there are competing official bodies (eg EPA and IIHS within the USA and also multiple countries). The second point is that it is a USA reference. As I mentioned in my first entry for this topic, it is very borderline for the USA wheelbase measurement but well above the Japanese definition of mid-size. Japan is the home market for the Lexus GX.  Stepho  talk  13:16, 26 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Someone considered who made Land Cruiser Prado and Lexus GX are really disruptive, accorded usnews car site, GX is verified as mid-size! Additionally, they are also related to 4Runner based on the platform use. They aren't be possibly designed to challenge the SUV class like Cadillac Escalade, Lincoln Navigator, Lexus LX, Range Rover, BMW X7, Rolls-Royce Cullinan, and Mercedes GLS-Class. Also GX isn't offered in Japan at all! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.136.79.145 (talk) 10:40, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Is this unnamed US news site authoritative about how the GX is classified in the US? If so, does that US news site change how it is classified in Japan, where it is definitely full-size by Japanese law?
By your reasoning, a Lincoln Navigator is smaller than a F650 Pickups, therefore the Navigator isn't full-size. Full-size covers quite a large range of sizes, so saying one vehicle is smaller than another vehicle doesn't tell you much.  Stepho  talk  19:04, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Platform DOES take role in size but only to a moderate extent. A Pathfinder was running on the Armada's platform but it was midsize. For your information. Also a Bentley Bentayga is on the Porsche Cayenne platform but it is full-size and not midsize. 2600:6C50:4000:27D0:98D7:C386:49B5:6670 (talk) 06:33, 6 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I took that all off. Someone tried to put the exact same label on Porsche Cayenne and Maserati Levante. Maybe in their fantasy. Even by Japanese standards they're midsize, their culture seems to love compact cars only judging by their strict taxation. 2600:6C50:4000:27D0:4442:6DD8:98B2:C041 (talk) 19:44, 23 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"their culture seems to love compact cars only". True. And from my viewpoint as an Australian, Americans love fat-arsed, overweight, oversized cars only. But either way, that doesn't invalidate its official class in Japan.
I'm not overly against bypassing the issue. But the problem with simply removing the size class is that some well meaning soul will add mid-size back in. And then we are back to where we are now but without the warning comments. The alternatives I see are:
  1. No class mentioned - an American will add mid-size, making this a temporary option only.
  2. No class mentioned but hidden comments saying "officially largest class in HOME country of Japan according to their law which trumps other countries classifications (including US as mid-size)".
  3. Explicitly say (visible to all readers) "officially largest class in home country of Japan according to their law but classified as mid-size in some countries such as the US". Editors tend to ignore hidden comments.
  4. Say it is mid-size - even though this is false in its home country.
  5. Say it is full-size - Americans will keep changing it to mid-size for all eternity.
I favour option #3 (with some rewording and links to the Japan classification article).  Stepho  talk  23:09, 23 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I think a determination needs to be made at Wikipedia:WikiProject Automobiles/Conventions and at Template:Infobox automobile stating that the class should reflect that of the "home" country of the manufacturer (not where it is assembled.) Just discussing it at this one article won't work, although a nice first step. Bahooka (talk) 00:35, 24 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I have put a pointer to this discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Automobiles#When_the_US_vehicle_class_differs_from_that_of_the_home_country.  Stepho  talk  01:13, 24 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Sounds good. Bahooka (talk) 01:20, 24 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Full size / Mid size argument - why not just say in Japan it is considered full size while in the US it is considered mid size. I feel like it is a rather pointless argument. Sorry if that upset anyone. NealeWellington (talk) 10:18, 24 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Which would be my option #3. Which is also my preference.  Stepho  talk  10:43, 24 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I think it would be best to include both as well - as long as you have references for both. I would list both in the infobox, but to keep the lead sentence from being too clunky or confusing, I would start it like "The Lexus GX is an SUV.." without the size classes. Then in a following sentence, you could write something like "It is considered mid-size in the North American market (reference) and full-size in other regions (reference)". --Vossanova o< 12:46, 24 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It's both, it's neither, it's not a strict and clear system. I would call it mid-size based on my gut, but then again, living the US also makes me think that a four-egg omelet is normal. But this is simply meaningless and I wish MrDavr and the countless IPs go find something useful to do instead. Almost all cars are classified differently in different markets, because this is not a science.  Mr.choppers | ✎  14:10, 24 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Option 3 would provide the most clarity for readers. I'm not sure I like having a precedent to include an array of classifications (note the countless IPs adding European "__-segment" classifications on North American cars that had limited or no European availability) but in this case, that seems to be the only reasonable way to resolve it. --Sable232 (talk) 22:58, 24 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Just a reminder that the Lexus GX is not sold in Japan, so there's no 'home country' for this product. I understand its twin, the Prado is, but the article is heavily American-oriented. I am proposing that this article use the North American class, while the Prado use Japanese class. Andra Febrian (talk) 12:23, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Although its twin, the Land Cruiser Prado is referred to as a full-size SUV, it is not sold in the US. Sources compare it to a variety of vehicles.

[1] - Compares to vehicles such as the Audi Q7, Volvo XC-90 and other midsize three row crossovers and SUVs.
[2] - Compares to a range of vehicles, fullsize and midsize alike
[3] [4] - In these two advertisments from Lexus dealerships they compare it to midsize crossovers and SUVs.2008 Dodge Ram (talk) 15:41, 4 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

New one shares a platform with the LX as well as its underpinnings and interior space. Now we can legitimately call it a full-size SUV. Think of the LX as the more comfort-oriented model, and the GX as the sportier one. 2600:6C50:4000:27D0:943B:6CDE:B9CC:EBA9 (talk) 00:58, 9 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ https://getjerry.com/car-loan/8-top-lexus-gx-competitors
  2. ^ https://jalopytalk.com/cars-similar-to-the-lexus-gx/
  3. ^ https://www.metrolexus.com/lexus-gx-vs-bmw-x5-vs-mercedes-benz-gle.html
  4. ^ https://www.thompsonlexuswillowgrove.com/lexus-competitive-comparisons/
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