Talk:Lex Rex (album)

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Requested move 13 August 2018

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: no consensus to move the page to the proposed title at this time, per the discussion below. Note that technically the proposed title could be occupied by this article as suggested, per WP:SMALLDETAILS–Wikipedia:Title punctuation is listed as an essay, not a guideline. However, the discussion did not support the move. Dekimasuよ! 17:50, 20 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Lex Rex (album) → Lex Rex – "Lex Rex" currently redirects to Lex, Rex, a 1644 book. Since the name is not exactly "Lex Rex" unlike the album, a simple "for the book see Lex, Rex" at the top of the album's article should be enough, and the name of the album's article should be shortened. Hyliad (talk) 17:35, 13 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This is a contested technical request (permalink). — Frayæ (Talk/Spjall) 20:30, 13 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

There is no evidence that the album is the primary topic for the title 'Lex Rex'. — Frayæ (Talk/Spjall) 20:32, 13 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose https://www.google.com/search?tbo=p&tbm=bks&q=%22lex+rex+is%22&num=10 the book is the Primary. In ictu oculi (talk) 23:36, 13 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Question/Comment - This doesn't seem like a primary topic problem to me, and the previous voters may have missed one of the nominator's main points. There could be two different titles after a move. Would there be a problem with "Lex, Rex" (with comma) for the book co-existing with "Lex Rex" (no comma) for the album? Perhaps a new disambig page or hatnotes could be added if someone wants the book but forgets to search with a comma, etc. If this creates no foreseeable problems, my vote is Support but I could be swayed otherwise. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 18:42, 15 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Doomsdayer520: The book currently occupies both Lex Rex and Lex, Rex as the primary topic. — Frayæ (Talk/Spjall) 00:02, 16 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough, but "Lex Rex" (no comma) is NOT the title of the book, but it IS the title of the album. Wikipedia:Title punctuation says the following:

"It is not acceptable to create two articles (on different topics) with titles that differ only in punctuation. If this arises, a separate form of disambiguation is needed, with a hatnote at the top of each page, linking each to a dedicated disambiguation page or to the other article. In the case of hyphens and diacritics add redirects from any likely alternative spellings."

That could probably be interpreted in various ways, but to me it calls for a disambig page and/or hatnotes for a situation exactly like this one. I contend that engaging in a primary topic analysis is not the appropriate path for this situation. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 18:47, 16 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Doomsdayer520: The proposal is to replace the book with the album at the primary title. If you want a disambiguation page then the disambiguation page would occupy Lex Rex, the album would stay as it is and the book would also be disambiguated as Lex, Rex (book). If this move happens as proposed then the book will have to be moved also, to Lex, Rex (book). Therefore it is a primary topic issue between the album and the book that is being debated. — Frayæ (Talk/Spjall) 19:08, 16 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I mistakenly got a little too far away from the original proposal by the nominator. My thoughts on a disambig page are screwed up as a result. Will adjust vote below. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 19:20, 16 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Who types a comma in a search? Srnec (talk) 00:32, 16 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

*Support - ... and add a disambig page and/or hatnotes. This is my official vote, based on the policy mentioned in my longer comment above. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 18:52, 16 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Move the album article to simply "Lex Rex" with no comma, Leave "Lex, Rex" with comma for the book. Then add hatnotes to each article leading to the other. Do not create a disambig page because it would technically be two different titles, and this should alleviate the need for a primary topic debate. This vote is based on the title punctuation rule cited in my comment a few entries above. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 19:20, 16 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.