Talk:Leonard A. Jason

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Working on improving this article and making it more than a stub. Goal (talk) 02:21, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's complete, IMO, at least for the moment. Goal (talk) 20:45, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I spoke too soon. ;-) It continues to be somewhat of a work in progress, but I do think it's almost done. Goal (talk) 21:38, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I may have to eat my words, but it's done. Goal (talk) 20:58, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

New York Times and suggest

I put in the New York Times interview, he is in the New York Times twice at least so that is a good second source so he is notable. I suggest make the bibliography smaller, bio is not for having a list of articles, people can look it up on search engines, may be just have his top three or five high cited books or articles?? So it looks more like article not a resume. Thx RetroS1mone talk 17:34, 9 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the NY Times interview and your suggestions. I settled on cutting the lists to three recent articles and three recent books. Goal (talk) 19:40, 9 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Very good!! I am giving one more suggestion, it is not important though, may be split part about awards and activities, there is enough to split them i think. RetroS1mone talk 21:29, 9 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I split awards and activities. Goal (talk) 17:27, 10 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion of edit [1]

In the NY times article Jason simply stated he became ill after having mononucleosis.

"Q. You were diagnosed with C.F.S. many years ago. How did that affect you?
A. That triggered my interest. I got C.F.S. in 1990 after having mononucleosis, and ended up having to leave my work for about a year and a half."[2].

Jason said he was vice president of the International Association of CFS/ME as presented on the government website cited at the end of the sentence.[3] That's not a reliable source? The NY times thought the International Association of CFS/ME was notable enough to feature in the lead in his interview. That makes it notable enough to include in the Wikipedia article about him. Ward20 (talk) 07:12, 18 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Obvious, Jason was trying on promote his organization, So New York Times says about it, but they check the facts so they also say it is an activist organization but its members like Jason say it is a professional organization. This thing about getting CFS after mononucleosis, science says it is not a cause, Jason was trying on saying it caused his. It is like these people say their kid got autism after a vaccination, well duh, every kid gets vaccinated before you can tell they have autism. They also wear diapers before they get vaccinated. RetroS1mone talk 03:26, 20 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Mononucleosis is well known to be a trigger of chronic fatigue syndrome. PMID 11747919 Please stop taking out verifiable information from reliable sources. Ward20 (talk) 07:41, 20 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Synthesis any body? RetroS1mone talk 05:32, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

What, you don't believe the lancet article PMID 11747919? Here is the same author Peter D White in the BMJ, "Certain infectious illnesses, such as Epstein-Barr virus, Q fever, and viral meningitis, can trigger chronic fatigue syndrome" BMJ 2004;329:928-929 (23 October),doi:10.1136/bmj.329.7472.928 Another source PMID 15259835, "These results support the existence of two discrete chronic fatigue syndromes after infectious mononucleosis, one of which is still demonstrable 4 years after onset." Where is a source that says Mononucleosis can't trigger chronic fatigue syndrome? Ward20 (talk) 06:28, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This is a biography, not a medical article. We do not censor people's clearly-stated attributions simply because you think the science doesn't support it. If L Jason says he developed CFS after mononucleosis (or if any person X attributes illness Y to event Z), then that is representing this person's account of their life, regardless of what the "science" supposedly says on the issue. And as Ward20 correctly pointed out, mononucleosis is a suspected trigger event in some cases of CFS anyway. - Tekaphor (TALK) 08:21, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

notable people

I put Jason in the notable people with CFS article bc a notable CFS researcher, i find out just Leonard A Jason takes to here. Can some one do re-direct for Leonard Jason without A?? RetroS1mone talk 23:18, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

IACFS

IACFS is a activist organization i do not think it is notable but w conflict information of New York Times and a IACFS web site it is not enough for saying about Leonard JAson history, when it is notable we find a independent source, OK?? The mononucleosis, that is what JAson says, it was an interview so you want mononucleosis, do not pls imply it caused the CFS bc we do not know that and pls say it is what Jason says, we do not have confirming from independent source.

Tekaphor what is barely concealed attempt?? Pls do not be incivil. Thx, RetroS1mone talk 14:05, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

OK, this is mostly about the mononucleosis text. The "barely concealed contempt" is; you seemingly have a problem with L Jason's narration about his own life, you don't think it's scientifically valid, so you remove it on odd grounds that The New York Times interview "is not independent source". At most, I can understand why you want to remove the URL to www.iacfsme.org, but anything else seems a tad suspicious. Also, what "conflict information" are you alluding to? It doesn't matter what actually caused L Jason's CFS, his own account is "I got C.F.S. in 1990 after having mononucleosis...". Your argument that it needs to be removed on grounds that it might infer that mononucleosis caused CFS, is rather weak. This is a biographic article, and I see nothing in WP:BLP about WP:MEDRS. - Tekaphor (TALK) 04:39, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Do you think, "Jason was a board member and Vice President of the International Association of CFS/ME, an advocacy group." would be better under Professional Activities? Ward20 (talk) 07:21, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes I do. However, RetroS1mone can no longer continue to dispute the professional nature of this work if it is no longer in the "Professional Activities" section. - Tekaphor (TALK) 08:46, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Pls, can you both say, you do not know Leonard Jason and have never met or worked w him?? Thx, that will help me with suspected COI. RetroS1mone talk

I'm not obliged to say anything, but I have never met or worked with Leonard A Jason. The question now is, will you believe it. - Tekaphor (TALK) 05:03, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thx it is of course i believe you Tekaphor i assume good faith. People that have COI are encouraged from Wiki to disclose it and it does not say, they do not have allowance to edit article. RetroS1mone talk 14:53, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

OK, thanks. - Tekaphor (TALK) 03:36, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]