Talk:Legacy of the Battle of the Alamo

Deep Space Nine

The Deep Space Nine episodes are notable because:

• Star Trek: Deep Space Nine is a interationally popular TV series
• It is a important in the series because:

• Program is mentioned for 2 seasons, two of the most popular seasons of the show
• The Alamo program has indirectly influnced the characters, during several plot points
• The Alamo model is on the show for three whole episodes
• The series finale features the Alamo at at least 4-5 times

While the reference is not the best in the world, if one really wants to go to every episode and reference it for us be my guest Oldag07 (talk) 00:09, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

OldAg, to me, that is pure trivia. If we start mentioning every time that the Alamo has been mentioned/featured in a television show or movie then we open ourselves up to a huge list of meaningless references. The article should focus on films/books/etc that directly portray the battle, not those that mention it in passing or use it simply as a plot device. Also, right now, the article is reflecting what scholarly sources consider are the most important portrayals of the battle; if these reliable secondary sources don't see a particular movie/tv program/etc as important enough to discuss, then the article should not cover them. Karanacs (talk) 14:46, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

But it is the sheer number of times that it is mentioned in the show that makes it significant as a plot device. 9 whole episodes. My argument for keeping it in is the fact that it has exposed the battle the alamo to an audience that may have not known about it, or not paid much attention to it. I don't want to get into an edit war, but it would be nice if you were to respond to this comment. Oldag07 (talk) 00:22, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

At least the text should be preserved in the talk page.. .

The Battle of the Alamo legend resonates in the final frontier during the 23rd century, in the Star Trek series, Deep Space Nine, as a popular holoprogram. Throughout seasons 6 and 7 though 9 distinctive episodes, including the series finale, the characters Julian Bashir and Miles O'Brien are obsessed with the program. While the program is never shown running on the film, a scale model of the Alamo is shown throughout several episodes. Oldag07 (talk) 20:44, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

There are entire movies that focus on the battle that are not mentioned in the article. There are entire television series on the battle or its commanders that are not mentioned. There are many, many, many books, television shows, films, comic books, etc, that use the Alamo as a significant plot device but are not mentioned in the article. The reason they are not is because scholarly sources don't consider them to be as important in the battle's legacy. If you can find some scholarly sources that mention the Alamo's impact on the DS9 show and how it may have spread news of the battle to an unfamiliar audience, then we should be able to figure out a way to include that. Without the scholarly sources, we are giving undue weight to this show out of all the others that have prominently featured the Alamo. Karanacs (talk) 15:31, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Maybe we can write that the Alamo has been put in "many, many, many books, television shows, films, comic books, etc", and not get specific. ? Oldag07 (talk) 04:38, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

References

Perception and race

I just noticed today that the text in the perception section had been changed with a note that it was racist. There is no getting around the fact that race played a prevalent role in many attitudes of the 19th century, and this paragraph is describing one of those attitudes. To ensure that we are accurately reflecting the source, I've restored the previous text Efforts to preserve the Alamo have largely been an Anglo-American cause. The first major calls to restore parts of the Alamo occurred after 1860, as English-speaking settlers began to outnumber those of Mexican heritage. The source drew a distinct line between two ethnicities - those who spoke English as their first language and whose ancestors came from Europe to the US/Canada (Anglo-Americans, as many, many modern historians refer to them) vs those who were descended from Mexican settlers or who had more recently migrated from Mexico. Heritage is used to refer to both the inherited tradition as well as the kinship ties of a group of people (and I thought it a better word than ethnicity because it also implied the tradition). I'm open to adjusting the terminology as long as we adhere to the source, and we cannot refer to those of "American heritage" because at this time period (1860s and later), ALL of the citizens of Texas were Americans (or Confederates), regardless of their ethnicity/genealogy and likely shared many of the same values. Karanacs (talk) 20:32, 13 May 2010 (UTC)