Talk:Lecrae/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Jacedc (talk · contribs) 00:28, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

• His work has received five Grammy Award nominations (one of which he won and three of which are pending) According to List of awards received by Lecrae#Grammy Awards, Lecrae has won two and lost three. This needs to be updated. Additionally, since this article is split, the respective lead sentence needs a citation.

Already seems to be  Done. --Mr. Guye (talk) 20:57, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

• He remembers going to church with his Christian grandmother This should be quoted. To state that he remembers as a fact isn't exactly encyclopedic – he may have claimed he remembered, so that's what needs to be said (in direct quote fashion). That said, some other stuff could be better suited as a direct quote since the information comes from Moore himself.

@Jacedc: I can't find the phrase you are referring to. I did see He has stated that he would go to church with his Christian grandmother. Could someone already have changed it? Mr. Guye (talk) 01:52, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

@Mr. Guye: Huh, I don't remember doing it, but there is a slight chance that was me while I was correcting the other minor prose issues. At any rate, as it stands is good enough for me.  Done Jacedc (talk) 01:54, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

• Citation reference 8 appears independently a lot throughout § "Life and career". It may be more useful to revise this paragraph and attribute it all to the reference just once, twice, or maybe thrice.

@Jacedc: Reference 8 appears to be "iamsecond". With this edit, I reduced it from 13 uses down to 7 by removing ref 8 if it appeared multiple times in a row. Not ideal according to your standards, you can reduce it further if you choose. --Mr. Guye (talk) 00:32, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Works for me. Jacedc (talk) 00:40, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Then this is  Done. --Mr. Guye (talk) 01:53, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

• Wanting to do the "mature thing" – Putting quotes just around those two words sounds as if the writing is challenging whether or not it was really the mature thing. I would suggest either not quoting this (just leaving it as bare text) or include more of the quote within the sentence.

@Jacedc: Yet again, someone already tried to fix it. Currently says Wanting to do what he considered the mature thing. The thing is, I don't know if that is actually a fix. --Mr. Guye (talk) 20:27, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

@Mr. Guye: Yeah, I would say just Wanting to do the mature thing or using a full quote sentence. Jacedc (talk) 20:30, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

@Jacedc: Actually, now that I think about it, Wanting to do what he considered the mature thing is WP:NPOV and doesn't actually challenge the concept as much as Wanting to do the "mature thing". And your proposal of Wanting to do the mature thing seems like the article is agreeing with Lecrae instead of just stating the facts. So I prefer Wanting to do what he considered the mature thing. --Mr. Guye (talk) 20:39, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

• A girl Moore attended high school with was there, and she invited him to a Bible study, where he met his future wife. – This needs clarification. Was his future wife the girl who invited him to the Bible study, or was it someone else? Why not state who this girl's name is?

@Jacedc: Again, someone must have changed it. I see A girl Moore attended high school with was there, and she invited him to a Bible study, where he met Darragh, his future wife. --Mr. Guye (talk) 02:06, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

@Mr. Guye: Yeah, someone must be addressing these themselves.  Done Jacedc (talk) 02:32, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

• Moore says that it was "right after high school" at age 19 that he finally decided to live for God, though "it wasn't overnight" and he "spent a lot of time making bad decisions." – Similar to the "mature thing" thing, these quotes break up too often. I would suggest quoting the entire sentence if possible.

 Done Jacedc (talk) 13:40, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

• § Conversion – I'm not entirely convinced this should be its own section.

@Jacedc: It's notable in his life and influenced many of his further actions. Plus, it is in a very small subsection that doesn't overemphasize it but also makes it easier for readers to find information on it. Mr. Guye (talk) 23:45, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Alright, I see your point. It just seems weird to have a non-conventional section that otherwise isn't matched by a similar scheme throughout the rest of the article. But it's not a big deal. Jacedc (talk) 23:48, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

• This incident finally convinced him to commit his life to Christ. – I would change this either to "Moore says this incident is what finally convinced him to commit his life to Christ." or "This incident convinced him to commit his life to Christ." if Moore didn't say it but a different source.

 Done Jacedc (talk) 17:29, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

• he and his girlfriend had the baby aborted, a decision he now deeply regrets. – Would put "a decision he now says he deeply regrets."

 Done Jacedc (talk) 17:29, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

• A music video for the song premiered five days later. This either needs to be removed or a citation added to it. When/if a citation is added to it, the source should reflect why that sentence is notable enough to include in an encyclopedia – if it can't or doesn't, remove it.

Removed.  Done --Mr. Guye (talk) 20:55, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

• Church Clothes was downloaded more than 100,000 times in less than 48 hours on DatPiff.com, and in less than a month reached 250,000 downloads, a platinum rating on Datpiff.com. – The second mention of "Datpiff.com" should just be changed to "the website." No need to say the website's URL twice.

 Done Jacedc (talk) 17:29, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

• § "Life and career" subsections follow the format of "Date: Subject". Firstly, a space needs to come before "Rebel" in § "2008–09:Rebel". Secondly, wouldn't it be better to convert to the format "Subject (date)" (e.g. "Rebel (2008–2009)")?

 Done Jacedc (talk) 17:29, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

• I think if you're going to, you should label it hip-hop.. hip-hop is a particular poetic style. Ellipses should be composed of three or more dots, no?

 Done Jacedc (talk) 17:29, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

• Production discography should follow the same format as the Discography section.

 Done Jacedc (talk) 17:29, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

• Lastly, is there no possibility of more images, or maybe audio clips? I would suggest visiting WP:SAMPLE to see if audio clips can't be added under fair use.

Overall assessment: On hold until the issues are addressed. Good job on the article, otherwise. Jacedc (talk) 00:28, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

I'll get on the prose issue. I want to get more images in the article, but I can't find any decent quality ones that are under free licensing. I'll do some off-wiki campaigning to get more images in their. As for audio samples, some of the album and singles articles use fair use clips, so one could probably be brought in.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 01:53, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Alright, sure thing. Just let me know. And you can use any song under fair use regardless of the original license as long as the quality is degraded down to 64kbs and the length of the sample is proportionate to the length of the original track. Jacedc (talk) 04:48, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

(I can help with that, if you want. Just tell me which songs you want and where.) Jacedc (talk) 17:30, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

I'm the other editor making changes, I just haven't noted it here on the talk page.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 01:14, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

@3family6: Ah, okay. Thanks, and good job. :) Jacedc (talk) 13:18, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

Okay, all prose issues have been addressed. The only thing left is having more images and audio samples if possible, though that factor doesn't mean in any way the article doesn't satisfy the good article criteria, so I am passing this article. Congratulations. (However I do strongly suggest adding more media). Jacedc (talk) 13:40, 8 April 2015 (UTC)