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LGBT category?

In this article I saw nothing about this. --Universal-Interessierter^de (talk (de)) 21:14, 21 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Personal life/relationship inclusion

Pinging @Bring back Daz Sampson: who prompted me to open this discussion. A while back, an IP added Jordan Nobbs to the infobox of this article as Williamson's partner, an edit I reverted. Through migrating refs at the List of LGBT Olympians and Paralympians, then, I noticed Williamson was included (I have worked on improving the list a lot, and generally skimmed over the names when moving information, but noticed Williamson likely due to recently reverting that addition) - the reference there did say she was Nobbs' girlfriend, so I added the source: Alejandro, Gabrielle (17 March 2020). "Recapping All the Drama of the SheBelieves Cup". AfterEllen. Archived from the original on 3 July 2020. Retrieved 5 March 2021.

Between different IPs either trying to un-date this (the source says 2020, so the article should), and others trying to remove it, I'm not sure what anyone wants, and if it would be better to remove it just for stability. But an IP removing it because they think the original editor was obnoxious, is why I have been adding it back (WP:DENY). BBDS directed me to the discussion at Talk:Beth Mead - slightly different, as that was about describing Mead as a lesbian, but the principle of solid sourcing for personal details is the same; now, even considering the sources from before Mead very openly spoke about her sexuality on TV in recent months, I only find that discussion (having read through it all) to support inclusion, honestly: various good sources (yes, generally queer interest sources, that doesn't change the editorial oversight they have; they're probably more cautious about not outing people, actually) and some social media posts were pointed to. Perhaps I was sent to that discussion by BBDS as them suggesting that more than one reliable source is needed in their mind - but that isn't actually policy.

All this said, AfterEllen is not an unreliable source for these matters (other things, namely politics and trans issues per that discussion, determine case-by-case), and unless someone starts another perennial thread to achieve consensus to treat it differently, I don't see how there is an argument to remove this kind of information that is sourced to it. Kingsif (talk) 05:34, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I took it out per WP:BLPREMOVE. What I actually said over at Talk:Beth Mead is that the bar has always been set high for this stuff: generally we need a high quality, mainstream source where the player themselves talk about it. What we've got here is a single sentence ("With Nobb's [sic] girlfriend, Leah Williamson, coming in as a sub later in the game.") as an aside in an irreverent reporter's matchblog, hosted on a source of - at best - marginal reliability. I wouldn't use this source to WP:LABEL the entire United States Soccer Federation "misogynist" for the same reason. So I'm not saying you need multiple sources, I'm just saying you need a decent one! I did look for more credible sources and couldn't find any, which suggests to me that these players are/were not "out" (or not "out out"). If this is the case we have to leave them alone. Black Kite (talk · contribs) must have been thinking along the same lines as me when they made this edit at Jordan Nobbs. Bring back Daz Sampson (talk) 11:46, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

A single mention in a source that is deemed reliable for specifically this kind of information (not other stuff, like opinionated asides as you mention - per the RSP discussion) is still a mention in a good source; factual asides are still considered facts. My one concern is something I have further noticed in that RSP, though; the editorial board was changed significantly in 2016, and the attitude since then has not inspired faith in other editors. What gives me pause here is that, while queer-interest sources are usually more careful than other media when it comes to potential outing, a lack of good editorship here may not. If, as you say, information about a relationship cannot be found anywhere else (and I have just looked, too), I would probably agree with the these players are/were not "out" (or not "out out") statement. This is noting that the source is still good, ignoring or attributing its biases as we should with any source.
Now, there are some casual sources about players' sexuality, which I take to be so casual because it's more of a non-entity nowadays so no big coming out interviews - but I am sure you'll have a view on whether to include or not. I may collect the sources for the LGBT list articles, but I haven't been adding the ones from the list to all the athlete bios and won't do so here. Kingsif (talk) 17:32, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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