Talk:Latvians/Archive 1

Archive 1

Russian

Qoute: "So most Latvians speak Russian as a second or _first_ language" - aren't the people who spoke russian as the first language called "Russians" ? Individual does not become Latvian just because he/she got citizenship.

I can fathom how one can be ethnically Latvian and yet learn Russian as their first language. I don't suppose it's common these days, but I see how it can happen. --Joy [shallot]

In my experience, most ethnic Latvians KNOW Russian but never speak it. Also, who in the world refers to Latvians as "Letts"? They certainly don't call themselves that. 24.162.229.143 (talk) 22:18, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

If your family is latvian, but they speaks in other language at home you learn learn that other language as first language not your native language, that in fact is consired to be one of the reasons why livonian language died -- Xil/talk

In my own relatives, yes, through intermarriage Latvians now speak Russian at home, children grow up speaking Russian at home. Also, just a thought, wondering if Ulmanis' effort to standardize Latvian usage hastened the demise of Liv. My mom sang Liv songs with friends in Kurzeme in her youth (mom's family moved there from Vidzeme). PētersV (talk) 14:04, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Baltic

This sentence Latvians and Lithuanians are the only surviving members of the Baltic peoples and languages of the Indo-European family. IMO should be changed someway - a person who don`t know what is indo-europian language family could think that balts are only members of indo-europian family, but they are only speakers of baltic languages -- Xil/talk

Needs a lot of work, the Finns did not settle among the Latvians! --Pēters 17:02, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Livonians are finnic -- Xil/talk 03:29, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Been a while, what I meant was that the Livs came first, then Latvians/Lithuanians displaced them. —  Pēters J. Vecrumba 03:09, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Pictures

http://www.liis.lv/viduskursas_terpi/kols.htm http://www.liis.lv/viduskursas_terpi/kruze_t.htm It seems that pictures can be used on wikipedia (however I doubt if it's needed) -- Xil/talk 03:29, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Latvian pictures

Well, Maria Naumova is ethnic russian. But article are about: "This article is about the ethnic group called Latvians". And what she is, one of winer of Eurovision pop contest? Jānis Čakste - he is first president of Latvia, but don't had any real role. Not known in both Latvia and abroud.

I think Gunnar Birkerts and Marc Rothko should instead be included in latvian pictures. At least they are known not only in Latvia unlike Čakste and russian Naumova. 159.148.71.250 11:19, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Pie izcilajiem varētu parādīt kādu pasaulē plašāk pazīstamu latvieti. Marija Naumova ir Latvijas krieviete un nevar reprezentēt etniskos latviešus. Čakstem nav pārāk daudz izcilu sasniegumu. 193.41.195.78 15:35, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Nu ja pareizi, neko jau Čakste neizdarīja tikai piedalījās kaut kādas sīkas valsteles izveidē. Most nations have pictures of people you might not know about, like their leaders. I personaly dislike this idea to show only few people, in my oppinion a picture showing something common to all people of the nation would be better. Naumova truly shouldn't be here, but you are wrong about Rothko - he was a Jew, as well as Gidon Kremer and I guess Mikhail Tal is Russian ---- Xil/talk 15:24, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't know about Rothko and other Latvian Jews, if this is meant to be "ethnic Latvians" only. Whether or not they did or do consider themselves Latvian first or second isn't the issue, there is the "List of Latvians" for non-ethnically Latvian Latvians.

     You both need to study your history. Alas, teaching history apparently isn't what it used to be. Čakste managed to circumvent Russification's clamping down on new Latvian publications by taking over an existing journal, working as editor of one most influential nationalist journals during the awakening in Latvia ("Tevija")--from 1888-1906. He was a signatory to the Viborg declaration in the first Russian Duma. Later he was co-publisher of the influential "Baltija" (published in St. Petersburg)--1916-1917.

     He wasn't Latvija's first president, and his family portrait didn't hang in a place of honor in Latvian homes, because he was some ancillary participant in some minor details in fashioning an independent Latvia. (!) Ak šausmas... —  Pēters J. Vecrumba 18:58, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

I was deliberatly stressing it to ilustrate my oppinion. I have studied history of this period only in school, so question education quality in Latvia, not my knowledge - I had exelent grades :D Anyway point here is if the picture needs to be changed or not and if yes what should be in there ? ---- Xil/talk 20:38, 14 July 2007 (UTC) Čakste by constitution didn't had any significant role, and he didn't have significant role in establishing independent Latvia state. Then Karlis Ulmanis should be put instead, he played great role in first Latvia's independence. Latvia alweys was multiethnical country so Marc Rothko, Maria Naumova could represent peaple originated in Latvia, but not latvian ethnicity. Vaira Vīķe Freiberga certainly must be put in examples of ethnic latvians.

indopedia list Latvians —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.118.205.130 (talk) 09:54, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

LATVIANS - shame on you!

We all can tell, there are no very much of Latvians in World. Here, it says some 2.2 and it seems even less - when we count all regions with Latvians there are like, 1.7 max. But its ok, who cares about 0.5 millions. But the problem is here - THIS ARTICLE SUCKS!!! Not only there are no pics here, but its very small and far from being interesting. There is no section - Famous Latvians, or anything like that. This article should be STUB, and probably only one about any nation in Europe with their country.

Just look at Estonians, there are some million Estonians and still they found like 20 "famous" of them and putted their pictures. They don't care World doesn't know who they are, but they know, ppl in Estonia know, and THAT'S what matter.

ONCE AGAIN, LATVIA, SHAME ON YOU!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.131.68.205 (talk) 12:46, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

You can make it better, go on :D --Kurlandlegionar (talk) 15:19, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Bet, godīgi sakot, gan jau jūs esat latvietis. Žēl tikai, ka šādi ļautiņi domā, ka savas valsts, tautas, valodas pelšana ir viņu brieduma pazīme. --Kurlandlegionar (talk) 15:22, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Pilnīgi piekrītu! Diemžēl daudzi novērtē prisktu kratīšanu tikpat ražīgu kā pirkstu pacelšānu. PЄTЄRS J VЄСRUМВА

►TALK 15:28, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Vai mēs lasam vienus un tos pašus rakstus? Igauņu raksts ir sliktāks! Turklāt mums būtu jaraksta angliski anglu valodas vikipēdijā. ;) Valenciano (talk) 20:50, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Daudz tautieši sarakstas savā valodā, EN vikipēdija ir pasaules enciklopēdija, EN ir šīsdienas lingua franca. Vai mums patīk vai nē, tas Latvijas stāsts kuŗš tiek lasīts visplašāk atbalstas uz mūsu čakliem darbiem. Un uz manām tīkļu lapšm, LATVIANS.COM un LOBH.ORG. :-)

And in English from now on. :-) PЄTЄRS J VЄСRUМВА ►TALK 03:48, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Why would i make it better, I am from Croatia and our article is pretty good.

Pictures

Hello! I added pictures of some famous Latvians. I chose: Vizma Belševica, Renārs Kaupers, Krišjānis Berķis, Andrejs Pumpurs, Ernests Blanks, Emīls Dārziņš, Kārlis Padegs, Raimonds Staprans.

I hope everybody are pleased with the selection! If not, feel free to change. Danton's Jacobin (talk) 22:11, 30 October 2012 (UTC)