Talk:Lateral line

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Review: July 17, 2023. (Reviewed version).

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In echolocation a sound is emitted (by some animal or device), reflected (by an external object) and detected again (by the same animal or device that emitted the sound signal). Because the lateral line does not emit any sound signal, the term echolocation is inappropriate. The lateral line can detect the mechanical signal originating from a moving object. If the animal creates a current field around its body by moving around in the water (like the bow wave of a boat), the lateral line can also detect a stationary object because the object will disrupt that current field. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 194.151.7.188 (talk • contribs) .

I agree. Next time be bold and change it yourself! —Keenan Pepper 13:24, 24 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

When talking about the blind cavefish, it is suggested that they sense their prey without the use of sight - is this done by the detection of ripples in the water? What other possibilities are there? Oh, and can it be sourced? Thank you please. Icosahedron (talk) 13:50, 9 September 2008 (UTC)Icosahedron[reply]

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Unexpected article

I was searching for "lateral line" as in a line that connects a building to a city's public sewer system. Is there an article on this subject? Or should a disambiguation page be created saying there is another use of "lateral line"?--Mjrmtg (talk) 17:37, 10 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Article Rewrite

I recently rewrote this article for a class of mine, so any new issues with it are my responsibility. I'm still new to creating articles, so any feedback would be appreciated. However, I just realized I forgot to log in before making the changes, so I just wanted to make sure that no one thinks the page was redone by an anonymous vandal or anything. mso28 (talk) 06:51, 10 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I had already looked over your changes, and while I'm not an expert on that particular sensory system, it's obvious that the rewrite is a big improvement. In my experience expertise counts for way more than wiki-knowledge, and I hope you'll feel free to make any edits that seem right to you. Regards, Looie496 (talk) 16:58, 10 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Article modification

Hello, I am working on adding a developmental section to this article. I was wondering if anyone had some recent sources they would like to share with me or critiques they can provide on the work I add. More specifically, I would like to talk about the contribution of cell movement and proteins which lead to the formation of the lateral line. Thank you for your time. Liz0618 (talk) 18:23, 10 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Developmental Section

I also believe it would be advantageous to add a developmental section to this page. I have found an article that contains good information regarding the development of the lateral line in zebrafish, but also has more general information as well. It can be found below: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0960982209009117

Please let me know if anyone has any suggestions regarding this possible addition. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cksmith8 (talk • contribs) 00:20, 11 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I think that that would be good. I would say make it a small section though. Maybe a subheading. EditSafe (talk) 03:58, 11 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Additional Image

Hello. After reading through the article and looking at the images, I was wondering if anyone had an image that shows the cross section at a lateral line canal. I feel that it may be beneficial to see the relationship between the superficial components with deep structures, such as muscle. The article has a good figure of a horizontal section of the lateral line system, but it focuses on the more superficial relationship between the scales and the lateral line canal.

Please let me know if anyone has access to an image similar to this, or if there are any other suggestions regarding this addition.Joe.Perez (talk) 02:56, 11 March 2017 (UTC)==[reply]

GA Review

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Reviewer: Mertbiol (talk · contribs) 17:46, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I have read through this very interesting article. It's well written and generally very clear. Here are a few suggestions for improving the text (below). Best wishes Mertbiol (talk) 17:46, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks! Chiswick Chap (talk) 18:43, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Lead section

"Lateral lines serve an important role..." (final sentence, first paragraph) should this be "play an important role..."?
I suggest linking evolution of fish (second paragraph).
You have used the term "receptive organs" in the lead section, but nowhere else in the article. Would it be better to replace it with "sensory organs"?
The second paragraph is very short. I would suggest either merging it with the first (which is only three sentences) or expanding it, possibly using information from this sentence: "The lateral line system is ancient and basal to the vertebrate clade; it is found in groups of fishes that diverged over 400 million years ago, including the lampreys, cartilaginous fishes, and bony fishes."

All done.

Function

I suggest deleting "rather" (second sentence, final paragraph).

Anatomy

In the figure you have labelled an "external opening" and in the caption you refer to "openings", but in the body text you use "pores" exclusively. I suggest you insert "(pores)" after "rows of openings" in the figure caption and/or change the label in the figure to read "pore" instead of "external opening".

Glossed.

The inset image suggests that each hair cell only has one hair, but in the main text you say "The receptive hair cells... typically possess bundles of 40-50 microvilli "hairs". I suggest you change the label "sense hair" to read "sense hair bundle" to make this clear.

Added gloss to caption. The label on one hair is fine.

I think it would also be useful to indicate (probably best in the caption) that the inset shows an individual neuromast - you could do this by inserting "(inset)" after "Small sense organs, neuromasts..."

Done.

I don't think "three-spined stickleback" needs to be italicised (image of stickleback head).

Done

I suggest changing "down" to "along" in "faint lines of pores running lengthwise down each side of a fish's body (first sentence).

Done

I suggest rephrasing "These bundles are organized in rough "staircases" of hairs of increasing length order" to read "Within each bundle, the hairs are organized in a rough "staircase" from shortest to longest."

Done.

Signal transduction

The green text (specifically the word "towards") is cropped at the right hand side. This is the case both on my laptop (Mac, Safari) and my phone (Android, Chrome).

Not sure what that is, it's fine on my PC and mobile.

I think it would be useful to indicate in the caption that the figure represents a single neuromast.

Done

What is the effect of opening the calcium channels in the basolateral membrane? The first paragraph ends abruptly and I think we need to know the next step in the process (which is presumably the release of a neurotransmitter and the creation of a nerve impulse in the next cell).

The paragraph is complete; the next paragraph explains what happens next.

I suggest deleting "of a canal" from "As current moves across the pores of a canal..." (final sentence).

Done.

Electrophysiology

I suggest rephrasing "This allows the fish to retain perception of motion stimuli without interference created by its own movements" to "This allows the fish to detect external stimuli without interference from its own movements."

Done.

Evolution

I suggest linking inner ear.
I think you need a comma after "The electroreceptive organs" in "The electroreceptive organs called ampullae of Lorenzini," (first sentence, second paragraph).
"It is basal to the jawed fishes." "It" presumably refers to the "lateral line organ"? (If "It" refers to the ampullae of Lorenzini, please change to "They".) I suggest rephrasing the first two sentences of this paragraph to read "The electroreceptive organs, called ampullae of Lorenzini, appear as pits in the skin of sharks and some other fishes. They evolved from the lateral line organ, which is basal to the jawed fishes." (Or, keep the current structure and delete "It is basal to the jawed fishes."
I suggest switching the order of the second and third sentences around as the LLO evolved before the ampullae of Lorenzini.

Done all but this last, would you mind doing it as I'm not sure which sentences you mean and am on mobile edit atm.

Apologies, I meant "paragraph" not "sentence". I have done this.

Reference check

I have checked the following references: [1] (see note below), [2] (see note below), [3] (see note below), [7], [8] (see note below), [9] (see notes below), [11], [12], [15], [18], [19], [20] and [21].

[1] Bleckmann and Zelick (2009) - appears to be open access - please add |doi-access= free
[2] Bouffanais et al. (2010) - appears not to be open access.
[3] Lakkam et al. (2019) - I'm not sure we need all the green padlocks - just the one after the doi will suffice!
[8] Larsson (2009) - please add |doi= 10.1111/j.1467-2979.2009.00330.x.
[9] Russell (1971) - appears to be open access.
[9] Russell (1971) - does not appear to support "Hair cells typically possess... glutamatergic afferent connections" (I can't find a reference to either glutamate or aspartate as neurotransmitters in this paper.) - ref [14] (Flock and Lam (1974)) might fit here?
[15] Weeg and Bass (2002) - appears to be open access.

All done, but the Lakkam icons appear by themselves, there are no codes in the ref.

Over to you

That's all for the first read through. Over to you @Chiswick Chap: Mertbiol (talk) 17:46, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Final verdict

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):
It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects): b (focused):
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias:
It is stable.
No edit wars, etc.:
It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall:
Pass/Fail:

This is a very interesting and informative article. It is well written and appears to cover all aspects of the lateral line organ in depth. Congratulations to @Chiswick Chap: for their hard work to bring this nomination forward. I have no hesitation in promoting it to GA status. Mertbiol (talk) 20:40, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]