Talk:Las Vegas Beltway

Official length

the official length is more like 11mi. from i515 to i15. i215 has i status all the way to i515 now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.53.13.24 (talk • contribs)

• I-215 does extend to I-515/US 93&95. However, the official length of I-215 as maintained by NDOT is the 2+ miles stated in the article. The remainder of I-215 (and all the rest of the beltway) is still maintained by Clark County and is not officially considered to be I-215. Ljthefro 06:25, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Clark County 215 shield

Is it possible that someone can upload an image of the Clark County 215 shield? It looks like the one on this page: http://www.rockymountainroads.com/i-215_nv.html (but don't use that one here, unless there is no alternative) Noting the custom design, and that Clark County's website is copyrighted (see http://accessclarkcounty.com/clark_county/privacy.htm) are we to assume that the shield itself is copyrighted? If it is simply a derivative of the generic county shield, which can't be copyrighted,[1] or is it unique enough to be copyrighted by the county? I found this also: http://www.accessclarkcounty.com/newsletters/sand_m/March_2005/mar_woodbury.html. --Geopgeop (T) 07:47, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Ooh, this may work: http://www.co.clark.nv.us/PUBWORKS/county_projects/beltway/06_bulletin.pdf --Geopgeop (T) 13:54, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Wow, no shield yet? --Geopgeop (T) 03:04, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Somebody's made a shield. It isn't quite right, because Clark County's 215 shield is closer to a true pentagon than the standard county route marker, and the fonts are not FHWA series. But I think it will do for now, cause I'm not sure if the actual image is under copyright or not. --Ljthefro (talk) 06:53, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Article name

Since all of the physical signage says Bruce Woodbury Beltway I plan on moving the article to that name unless someone has a good reason not to. 02:41, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Naming conventions (common names). The majority of media usage of Bruce Woodbury Beltway is talking about the renaming, while there are 137 matches for Las Vegas Beltway in 2007 only. --NE2 01:52, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Neither number is so large as to impact any decision. Locally the road is know as the 215 or the Beltway. Vegaswikian (talk) 02:20, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

No, it's clear from the results that the media almost never uses the "official" name, and that the common name is "Las Vegas Beltway" (or, as you say, "Beltway" or "215", neither of which works for an article title). --NE2 03:04, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

I think changing the name to Bruce Woodbury Beltway or Las Vegas Beltway is fine for now, due to the current ambiguous nature of the I-215 designation. But if you go by the naming conventions linked above, Las Vegas Beltway is more appropriate. In the future when the beltway is fully freeway and designated as Interstate, the article name should be reverted to Interstate 215 (Nevada). Ljthefro (talk) 00:14, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

I have not seen any mention of the federal government taking the road over and designating it as an interstate. Are you aware of anything in this area?? I know the county would love that, especially if they reimburse for the money spent to build it. Vegaswikian (talk) 01:11, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

It wouldn't be the federal government, since the States actually own all the interstate highways. I recall hearing or reading many years ago that the Clark County would turn the beltway over to NDOT once the entire facility was constructed to freeway/Interstate standards. It would be at this point that the beltway would be fully designated as I-215 (whether this would be "chargeable" Interstate wasn't specified). AASHTO has currently only approved the designation for use between I-15 and I-515.

I 215 - CC 215 transition point

Does anyone have some good references for this? When the road opened at I 15, it ran to Decatur and was signed at the I 15 exit as I 215 west as I recall. Somehow over time various editors have moved the transition point to I 15. Clearly we need some references to check our facts and make clear any ownership changes that may have happened on this portion of the road. Vegaswikian (talk) 18:42, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

The beltway was never signed "I-215 West" from I-15. Some photographic evidence:

• The original signs on SB I-15 approaching the beltway ramp said "[Airport sign] [I-215] East / Las Vegas Blvd / McCarran Airport / Henderson". The first sign structure along the off ramp had the same lines for the EB pull-through and a "Decatur Blvd" sign for the westbound exit. Once a significant amount of the CC 215 frontage roads were built, the signs were changed. The I-15 exit signs were changed to read "East [I-215] [CC 215] West / Henderson / 215 West". The ramp sign that read Decatur Blvd had that portion greened out and "[CC 215] West" replaced it, above the greenout portion. See the last 4 pictures at RockyMountainRoads.com I-15 SB Highway Guide (Las Vegas vicinity).
• A pull-through sign at the westbound I-215/CC 215 exit to I-15 south originally read "Decatur Blvd". Concurrent with the sign change on I-15, this sign was changed to read "Begin / [CC 215]". See last 2 pictures under 'Interstate 215 West (Inner Loop)' at RockyMountainRoads.com I-215 west (inner loop) Highway Guide. Had I-215 been signed all the way to Decatur, the original Decatur pull-through sign at this location should have said "[I-215] West".

Also, every NDOT mileage log since 2001 has listed the I-215 western terminus (at least the state maintained portion) at I-15.

--Ljthefro (talk) 23:07, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I guess the NDOT mileage log is the most convincing. Sure wish I could filter out the newer search hits and find the early RJ articles. Vegaswikian (talk) 23:27, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

freeway/expressway changeover

I was going to update the exit list table to show that the road changes from an expressway to a freeway north of Summerlin Parkway, but where does it return to an expressway? I have not driven past Cheyenne Avenue in a while but it is an freeway past that point. Vegaswikian (talk) 17:48, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

The beltway stays freeway at least to just past Alexander Road (an overpass). By the time it reaches Lone Mtn Road, it is a 4-lane undivided road. It stays this way until just before Hualapai, where it transitions to freeway until a point between Durango and US 95. It's expressway from there to the north terminus.

When I last edited the exit list, I changed the format so that a multi-column row denotes the place where complete freeway ends and expressway portions begin (between Charleston and Far Hills). In places where freeway segments exist, "Interchange" is placed in the notes column. I've seen similar notation used on other exit lists; it avoids the hassle of needing to determine exact locations of road transitions and use of multiple multi-column rows. --Ljthefro (talk) 00:35, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Exit numbers

Can anybody verify the newest exit numbers on the west leg of the beltway that are listed in this article? Specifically: Far Hills Ave (28), Summerlin Pkwy (29), Lake Mead Blvd (30), Cheyenne Ave (31). The picture in this article [2] from the LVRJ conflicts with what's posted here (the picture has Exit 29 for Lake Mead). I'd doubt exit numbers are even posted at Far Hills & Summerlin Pkwy if interchange construction just started there... As I'm not currently in Vegas to verify, any insight would be appreciated. Thanks. --Ljthefro (talk) 02:06, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

As of tonight, I did not see any exit numbers at Far Hills, Summerlin or Lake Mead. Vegaswikian (talk) 04:25, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Broken link reference #4

Current link for citation #4 gives 401 unauthorized. Updated link with possibly the same (or more) info is http://www.clarkcountynv.gov/Depts/public_works/PW_Projects/Pages/215Beltway.aspx

Dbw89131 (talk) 22:36, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Bradley Road

Looks like the bridge is in place. Anyone know for sure if this will eventually become an interchange. A quick look did not reveal any sources either way. Vegaswikian (talk) 18:34, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

The ultimate build-out of the beltway does not include an interchange at Bradley Road. Not sure if any frontage roads to connect the ramps and perpetuate the original access are part of the plan. -- LJ ↗ 07:30, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

Only County Freeway?

I'm not so sure that CC-215 is "the only county road in the nation that is a freeway". For one thing, this claim is unsourced. Next, it really depends on how one defines a freeway. A similar facility, the Osceola Parkway, exists near Orlando and is signed as Osceola County Road 522. Both highways are divided highways with limited access. Both highways do have at-grade intersections. The only difference is, Osceola Parkway is a toll road, so perhaps it does not qualify as a freeway. On the other hand, at-grade intersections may disqualify the Las Vegas Beltway as a freeway, too. -- JeffBillman (talk) 02:24, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

Also, I just found another exception: Suffolk County Route 97 in Long Island, New York, is a freeway for part of its route. -- JeffBillman (talk) 02:36, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

I don't know whether this claim can be supported, so I would be fine with it's removal from the article. I believe the claim to fame for the Las Vegas Beltway (which I seem to recall reading in multiple articles from earlier construction days) is that it is the first Interstate highway that has been significantly planned/funded/designed/maintained by a county government. -- LJ ↗ 08:01, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

little to no state or federal funding

This marked the first time in the United States that a county has overseen the construction of an Interstate highway with little to no state or federal funding. Once completely upgraded to freeway, it is anticipated that the CC 215 portion of the beltway will be designated I-215 and the entire facility turned over to the Nevada Department of Transportation for maintenance.

Is this true? Weren't the loop freeways in the Phoenix area paid for by a sales tax in Maricopa county? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8801:2A80:8B00:601A:8862:D3B1:F2F5 (talk) 06:13, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

The Phoenix loop freeways are state highways, not Interstate highways. If they were funded by the county tax, I'm reasonably certain that ADOT still oversaw planning and construction. With the Las Vegas Beltway, it's primary funding came from local county taxes and the planning and construction has been mostly overseen by Clark County with input by NDOT (I believe NDOT only oversaw construction and provided some funding at the I-15 and US 95 interchanges). And, as far as I'm aware, it is still planned to turn the beltway over to NDOT. LJ ↗ 18:13, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

Inclusion of years of completion in exit list

In the notes section of the exit list, should there be mention of the years in which the interchanges were completed? Some of those years are not exactly recent since they date back to 1999/2000-ish with several more openings throughout the 2000s. The only reason I would see for including years of completion would be in cases where only the most significant additions or changes were made to the Beltway and its access points. I’m not sure if it makes a difference by state, but in California many users have argued against adding years of interchange completion because it makes the article feel dated. Pf1127 (talk) 19:46, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

This is the only Nevada article that includes this information in the junction lists. The 215 is an interesting case because some segments first opened as freeway with interchanges and other segments were built as frontage roads or 4-lane roads with at-grade intersections and later reconstructed as freeway with interchanges (and the construction types varied along the west and north alignments). It's kind of interesting data from a historical perspective of how the beltway was developed, but the implementation in the jct list does not give the complete picture. It would be cool to retain and complete this info, but not sure what the best way to present it would be...but it would likely be moved to the History section. (It will also need a lot more sourcing.) LJ ↗ 01:57, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Length

Why is this even called an interstate when it goes from Las Vegas to Las Vegas? 72.207.175.17 (talk) 04:22, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

An "Interstate Highway" is just a component of the "Dwight D. Eisenhower National System of Interstate and Defense Highways", i.e. the "Interstate Highway System". Many Interstates fail to cross state lines, including most of the auxiliary (three-digit) Interstates. Imzadi 1979 → 06:09, 3 January 2022 (UTC)