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Defender (L663)

The page was created by DeFacto. Thanks. Copied content from Land Rover Defender; see that page's history for attribution (3,587 bytes).--Max One USA (talk) 15:24, 11 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Double mention, does it matter

We mention the future PHEV variant once under Specs and once again under Future Variants. Does it matter? I'm unsure, which is why I have not indulged in a wild orgy of impulsive editing. So if it's fine, it's fine. Thanks and best to all, 82.39.96.55 (talk) 09:45, 14 September 2019 (UTC) PS I want one.[reply]

No need to have it twice, I removed one. -- DeFacto (talk). 21:15, 14 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Lovely, thanks very much 82.39.96.55 (talk) 21:19, 14 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"subjective opinion needs attribution"

Moved here from my talkpage. -- DeFacto (talk). 16:03, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi [DeFacto], I note that you deleted a sentence I wrote, saying "subjective opinion needs attribution".

Fair enough; but please note that in the InfoBox, another editor has declared the L663's predecessors to be "Land Rover Defender (L316)" AND "Land Rover Discovery 4"! Arrivisto (talk) 14:52, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Arrivisto, that needs to be supported by a reliable source. The article doesn't currently support that, so I removed it too. -- DeFacto (talk). 16:07, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

DeFacto, I've no objection to the deletion; I'm just suggesting that the InfoBox edit may also need deletion. Arrivisto (talk) 16:14, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Arrivisto, I agree with you, and have deleted it, as I said above. -- DeFacto (talk). 16:50, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Split proposal

I propose that the section about the 2023 crash be split into a separate page. 90.255.6.219 (talk) 12:51, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed that section as it is nothing to do with the subject of this article. Whether that news story is notable enough to be the subject of another article is a matter for discussion elsewhere. -- DeFacto (talk). 15:46, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

In fact, an article has already been created for that story (see 2023 Wimbledon school crash) and is already the subject of a deletion discussion. -- DeFacto (talk). 15:49, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Crossover vs SUV (see the entire D7 part of the section in the platform article)

The Land Rover Defender uses a D7-series platform derived from Jaguar XE and XF/F-Pace also for use in Range Rover vehicles, which happens to be a unibody platform. It may sound difficult to hear, but it is a crossover, even if some trims are off-road-handy. 2600:6C50:4000:27D0:C1DC:1528:31:309D (talk) 01:13, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Also, even while we ignore the unibody platform, the Defender still has no direct competitors. The G-Wagen is far too expensive. The Wrangler and Bronco are designed almost exclusively for off-roading, and are mostly utilitarian. The Defender barely rivals the Toyota Land Cruiser Prado or Lexus GX. 2600:6C50:4000:27D0:C1DC:1528:31:309D (talk) 01:19, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Changes to lead

Moved from User talk:DeFacto

I noticed you [DeFacto] reverted my edit on this page in the opening of the article under the reasoning of 'I think it was clearer before'. In my opinion, the previous wording, while somewhat punchy in getting a point across, reads as if it came from an advertisement to buy it (for me at least), for example, 'Significant for being the first all-new model' and 'breaking the lineage'. I would prefer the wording I changed it to, since I tried to keep the original point opaque, but obviously I would need your view first (now that you have seen where I am coming from)

Apologies if this is slightly long to read ASmallMapleLeaf (talk) 20:02, 3 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am not convinced. Let's see if anyone else has a view. -- DeFacto (talk). 20:46, 3 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Page Expansion

I am planning on beginning a large expansion to this page, as I have a good knowledge of these cars (over the years my family has owned 3 in various different sizes and trims). Let me know if you have any suggestions or concerns with my edits. I am no means a pro-wiki maker A1C6 (talk) 02:39, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No Lift Tire (Tyre) Guide?

There is a forum with a thread on "No Lift Tire Size Guide" for the L663 (https://landroverforums.com/forum/2020-defender-60/no-lift-tire-size-guide-work-progress-101530/) that is now 65 pages long and no longer a useful reference; you have to scroll through 644 individual posts (and counting) to find a reference to the specific vehicle configuration you're interested in. A wiki table would work much better. Is this an appropriate place to add such a table?

I envision something like:

No Lift Tire/Tyre Guide
Model	Suspension	Tire	Size	Spacer (mm)	Mudflaps
90X	Coils	Toyo Open Country AT3	P255/70R18	N/A	N/A
90X-Dynamic S P400	Air	BF Goodrich AT KO2	P275/55R20	N/A	N/A
110S P300	Coils	Goodyear Wrangler Adventure	P255/70R18	N/A	N/A
110	?	BF Goodrich AT KO2	LT275/65R18	N/A	N/A
110	Air	BF Goodrich AT KO3	LT265/70R18	N/A	N/A
110	?	Cooper Discoverer AT3 XLT	265/70R18	N/A	N/A
110	?	Falken Wildpeak A/T3W	LT275/65R18	N/A	N/A
110	?	General Grabber X3	265/70R18	N/A	N/A
110	?	Nitto Ridge Grappler	LT265/70R18	N/A	N/A
110	?	Yokohama Geolandar	LT275/65R18	N/A	N/A
110	?	Goodyear Wrangler Adventure	255/65R19	N/A	Classic
110	?	Bridgestone Revo III	275/55R20	N/A	N/A
110	?	BF Goodrich AT KO2	LT265/60R20	N/A	N/A
110	?	BF Goodrich AT KO2	LT275/55R20	N/A	N/A
110	Air	Nitto Ridge Grapper	LT275/55R20	N/A	N/A
110	?	Nitto Terra Grappler 2	275/55R20	N/A	N/A
110	?	Bridgestone Alenza	275/50R22	N/A	N/A
110	?	Michelin	275/45R22	N/A	Small
130 V8	Air	Nitto Ridge Grappler	275/45R22	N/A	N/A

Those are just notional examples; other than the OEM Goodyears I'm not asserting that the other examples fit.

etc. etc.

Thoughts? MFreidberg (talk) 20:27, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think Wiki policy says we don't include that sort of technical detail - see Wikipedia is not a manual, guidebook, textbook, or scientific journal in the "What Wikipedia is not" policy. -- DeFacto (talk). 15:38, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's what I figured, and why I asked here rather than just putting something on the main page. But I do believe a wiki is a better format than a forum thread for information like this. I'll see whether the forum software the group uses might have a wiki option. Thank you. 70.108.44.227 (talk) 21:54, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]