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Production numbers?

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Anyone have a source for the production numbers for these cars? It would be useful in the article.

Designer

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Articles such as http://www.lamborghiniregistry.com/Gallardo/index.html, credit the younger Giugiaro (Fabrizio) as the designer of the Gallardo. Some other articles, http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupe/112_0310_2004_lamborghini_gallardo/, say the design was an ItalDesign-Giugiaro/Luc Donckerwolke collaboration. Just looking for some feedback. So far it looks like Lamborghini credits ItalDesign-Giugiaro for the design.


I think it would be accurate to credit ItalDesign for the style and leave it at that. Barring a definitive statement from one of the Giugiaros, this may never be resolved. Forty years after the Miura, people are still arguing about whether the car is really a Guigiaro or Gandini design, and there was much speculation about the true designer of the ItalDesign-Volkwagen W12 concept (officially a Fabrizio design) when it debuted. The design process could very well allow for Donckerwolke and both of the Giugiaros to have made contributions. About all that can be said with certainty about the Gallardo is that the Giugiaros did "most" of the work. Audi seems to have been less inclined to micromanage this project than they were with the Murcielago, which was credited entirely to Donckerwolke. In all likelyhood, the Giugiaros produced a proposal and Audi merely adapted it to suit their corporate tastes- a la Chrysler and the Diablo.

OK, dudes, they REALLY need to make a Gallardo model with scissor doors; the Murcielago, Countach, and Diablo got 'em, so why not the Gallardo?

The Lamborghini Gallardo doesn't have scissor doors because its when Audi became owner of lamborghini, and they agree to make it an option, but the V12's bring scissor doors because its part of the agreement. I hope that answers your question about scissor doors on the Lamborghini Gallardo. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gallardogallardo (talkcontribs) 02:50, 14 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Listen, I agree with the last guy but who is going to listen to us? We are just another consumor to them. My real anwser to that last question would be that I guess they dont want all their cars looking the same.

Can anyone tell me where the fuel cells are in the gallardo (as well as other Lambos)? It seems to be in the luggage space. How the hell do you go on holidays? In your other car I suppose! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.131.16.59 (talk) 05:42, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Pronounciation

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Question for Italian speakers only: how do you pronounce Lamborghini? Is it lambor-gee-ni or lambor-gui-ni? I've had some debates over this with friends.


lambor-gui-ni I think.

Italian speaker here. Yes, it's lam-bor-GUI-ni, accent on the penultimate syllable, with a hard "g", same as in "good". If spelled "Lamborgini", then it would be pronounced lam-bor-DJEE-ni, same sound as the "j" in "jack". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.217.72.150 (talk) 18:54, 13 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A "g" followed by "he" or "hi" in Italian signals a hard "g." (A "g" followed by "a," "o," or "u" is always hard; followed immediately by "e" or "i" it's always soft.) I think the rendering of the syllable as GUI is misleading for English speakers as it the syllable is pronounced GHEE to rhyme with "key", rather than how the acronym GUI is pronounced which is more like "gooey." A similar pothole for English speakers exists with the chocolate company Ghirardelli; it's a hard "g". (Not a native speaker but I've studied it. 6StringJazzer (talk) 16:09, 17 January 2010 (UTC))[reply]

I find the addition of this picture somewhat strange... The user who added it to this page gives the following desciption: "Lamborghini V12 engine, with the Gallardo Spyder in the background".

  1. As far as I know the Gallardo has a V10 engine, not a V12. Is this a typo or what?
  2. The car next to the engine looks like the Murcielago, not the Gallardo.
  3. The only Gallardo I see in the picture is the other white car partly hidden by the woman on the left.

Unless I'm missing some points and someone can explain the inconsistency I'll revert to the old pic in a few days. Berserker79 11:52, 19 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

My mistake, that is indeed a Murcielago Roadster (& its V12), not a Gallardo Spyder. I'll move it to the other article. ˉˉanetode╦╩ 11:58, 19 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for clearing the issue, I was perplexed by the apparent inconsistency, but not 100% sure to remove/move myself the picture. Thanks, Berserker79 06:59, 20 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Gallardo pronounciation.

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I removed the trivia about Akon mis-pronounciation, since it is incorrect. Standard Spanish pronunciation of the word is WITH L, not with a "y". nihil 23:06, 4 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]


By the way guys, NIHIL is AKON. He's just trying to cover up his stupidity.

I had this sudden urge to prove NIHIL wrong. So I did a simple search on google for the correct pronunciation for the word "gallardo". According to the official spanish-english pronunciator for the American Heritage Spanish-English Dictionary, the two "l"s are in fact pronunciated as a "y". To hear a sample go to the following website and click the speakerphone beside the word http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dict_en_es/spanish/gallardo.

Ok, so why is the mispronunciation not mentioned in the article? I think it should be noted.


  • WOW! That's cool.... from a Brazilian engineering student with spanish family line I have been promoted to a Senegalese rapper! :D

You should look better, the pronunciation of LL in Spanish IS different from country to country, you know? For some reason, Mexico is not the only country that speaks Spanish! The standard pronuciation of Gallardo in Castillian Spanish is Gah-LAR-do. Since you had the urge and did cite your sources, I will kindly do the same: http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A737723

Yours, André Zamorano Vitorelli a.k.a. nihil 12:31, 21 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Gallardo is NEVER pronounced Gah-LAR-do in Spanish. Greetings from Spain. Will.

Now that's quite interesting. I've recently seen some show on Discovery or something, including an interview with Luc Donckerwolke, the designer of the Murcielago, and I'm pretty sure he used the 'gah-yar-do' pronounciation. --Zahn 04:12, 22 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, therefore I'm resuming the trivia --Zahn 15:55, 22 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • As far as I know, being a designer does not make one a language authority... even if most of the world says "ga-yar-do" it does NOT make "Ga-lar-do" a mispronunciation. nihil 01:22, 30 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, Ok... I stand corrected. I just talked to them and the LL Castillian is different from /L/ indeed, it's just not only the /y'/ the arcticle states, but not what I thought it was, there is a small "i" in it after the /L/, so, in any case, Akon is actually missing it. Now cheer up everybody. But I'm still no Senegalese rapper! :P nihil 20:15, 30 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Just for the record, someone should change it to IPA format.

ManicParroT 08:46, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]


So, is it pronounced "Ga-Lar-doh" or "Ga-Yar-doh?" Curious, as, personally, I would hate to start calling my favorite lambo using Yar.Konraden88 03:11, 12 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You guys are wrong watch this video the CEO of Lamborghini pronounces it with the Y sound http://www.automobilemag.com/multimedia/videos/6203004/2009_lamborghini_gallardo_lp560_4_in_part_1_of_the_build_a_bull_series/index.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.233.116.61 (talk) 03:36, 3 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Price

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According to MSN Autos (http://autos.msn.com/research/vip/overview.aspx?year=2006&make=Lamborghini&model=Gallardo) the price of the Gallardo is $100,000,000.. the article says it's 165k. I'm going to change it to 1m, but if anyone finds a more accurate source (like directly from the company lamborghini) that gives a different price, feel free to change it.


Somebody vandalised the price in the Superleggera section  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.125.180.53 (talk) 14:27, 25 November 2007 (UTC)[reply] 
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US Rapper AKON repeatedly mentions the Lamborghini Gallardo in the lyrics of his most recent worldwide hit 'Smack That'.

So? --Vossanova o< 19:48, 8 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Lamborghini Gallardo isn't featured in the video I Luv it from Young Jeezy its a Green Lamborghini Murcielago --[[User:BadBoyTC|BadBoyTC]

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Hi i have currently made a new exotic car site here. I was wanting to add the relevant pages to relevant wiki pages and wondering if thats ok to do so? Please let me know.

Thanks

Richard

It's best you don't, even though it's tempting. See the guidelines at WP:EL. Only official sites and reliable sources from the media should be linked. Plus, it would look like self-promotion, which is a conflict of interest. --Vossanova o< 19:49, 8 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Class debate

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I feel that the gallardo does not meet the standards of being called a "supercar" due to the massive performance achievments required of the title. yes, the gallardo is an exotic (that most of us would enjoy having in our garage), however, it really doesn't perform very much beyond today's popular sports cars. the gallardo is a tad more nimble than most supercars, designed for slower traffic and whatnot rather than accelerating quickly.

if anybody agrees with this, please comment and or change the class ranking on the wiki.

Thanks, Cpgeek

It's still exclusive enough to be called a supercar. I don't think you'll find many people willing to change its classification. Also, can everybody please start signing their entries here? Four tildes - ~~~~. It's not hard. --Vossanova o< 19:55, 8 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The Porsche 911 is in the same class and it's listed as a sportscar too; i'd say the Gallardo is in that class too. Supercar should be reserved for completely unattainable cars like the Reventon. 129.125.180.53 (talk) 14:37, 25 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Super Car status is attaiained by only a few cars on the whole planet. Enzo Ferrari, Mercdes McLaren SLR, Buggati Veyron to name the top ones in no specific order. Gallardo is no where close to the supercar class. Even the Murcielago doesn't come under the Supercar class and Gallardo is just a 'baby Lambo'. Neptune000 (talk) 19:45, 29 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
These sort of categories are subject to inflation. Years ago less than 400 HP were enough to be a supercar (Lamborghini Countach). These days I think circa 500 HP should still suffice to be a supercar (Gallardo, F430). Even if the BMW M5 and similar saloons have also 500 HP, they are heavier and so different enough. Jeremy have called cars like the Enzo and the Veyron hypercars to distinguish them from your average supercar. The Reventon is just a Murciélago for very rich collectors, so it doesn't need to be in a different category. Rps (talk) 16:32, 17 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

SVG Picture

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Just wondering if anyone's noticed this - Image:TheStructorr Lamborghini Gallardo.svg. Centy 17:36, 20 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What about it?Konraden88 03:06, 12 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

stick shift

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Is this car manual or automatic transmission?--Kingforaday1620 22:11, 3 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Manual with Pedal-Shifters. Konraden88 03:06, 12 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
But you can order it standard 6-speed, as an option on the lp560-4 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.167.115.243 (talk) 16:33, 14 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

V10 info

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I removed a few sentences on other applications of the V10 engine because there is a page dedicated to the engine itself and the information was incomplete/inaccurate. The Audi and Lamborghini engines are only vaguely related, having different heads, pistons, crankshafts and blocks. http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evocarreviews/66447/audi_s6.html If we want to talk more about how they are related and other applications of the engine, I think it should take place on the engine page. Eridanos 22:30, 10 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

RPS, I removed your change because it conflicts with the link I provided above. Do you have the text of the article you cited? Maybe I am wrong in my reading of the above article, which says to me that Audi does not build the engine.Eridanos (talk) 19:49, 17 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Of course I have it! I wrote it with the magazine in front of me! The journalist was at the Lamborghini factory seeing the parts of the V12 being QC and assembled. Direct quote: "Déception pour la Gallardo, sa mécanique (Audi) et les éléments de l'habitacle sont sous-traités et seulement assemblés à la main sur les chaînes, tradition oblige." And, BTW it doesn't contradict the other info. It seems Audi builds the "Audi" V10s in the same production line that builds the V8s, etc, which implies a 90mm inter cylinder distance which implies a different bore (so different pistons), heads, crankshafts and blocks. And since Audi wants to use FSI that is the other main difference. Rps (talk) 14:57, 18 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I didn't mean whether you had the magazine in front of you, I meant whether you had the text available online so that others could read it. Which I'm guessing you don't, but that's fine. The article I cited does contradict: all Audi's share a common bore spacing and are assembled along a line set up for only that bore spacing. The Lamborghini V10 does not have that bore spacing, ergo it can not be made in the same factory as Audi engines. I am trying to translate the sentence you copied (I don't happen to speak French) and I am not coming up with a definitive statement that Audi makes the engine. In fact the word "engine" is not used, the word "mechanics" is. Is that a common French term for engine not in dictionaries or is it a broader term as it is in English? The way I am reading it (again through translations so it could be off), is that some mechanical parts of the car are made by Audi and some are contracted out. But mechanical parts could mean just about anything, like brakes, steering, HVAC, etc.Eridanos (talk) 16:23, 18 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
"Audi has access to this Lamborghini V10 engine for the R8 (and the S6 and S8 sports sedans) because it's an Audi engine block, produced for Lamborghini at Audi's Hungarian engine plant then shipped to the Lamborghini factory at Sant'Agata for assembly and installation." [1] Photos of the assembly line at Sant'Agata: [2] [3]
"with the bare engine block being shipped to Italy from Hungary, where Audi's foundry in Gjor is located." "Note that the aluminum spaceframe chassis has been developed by Audi AG and will be constructed at the Audi Aluminium Centre at Neckersulm, Germany, the chassis will then be transported to Krupp Drauz, a German coachbuilder who will mount the aluminum body panels Drauz also manufactures. Afterwards the complete chassis/body configuration will be returned to Neckersulm for a full anti corrosion treatment and actual painting." [4]
BTW, "The Gallardo's skeleton, by contrast, is a 600-pound aluminum space frame manufactured in Germany, and arrives in Sant'Agata preassembled and painted." "Though both engines are hand-assembled at the Sant'Agata plant, the Gallardo's V10 block is manufactured off-site and shipped to Hungary for finishing before it reaches Italy."[5]
"Interestingly, this engine is based on Audi’s 4.2-liter V8, with the cylinder heads and block manufactured at Audi AG’s Cosworth Technology factory and then shipped to Hungary for finishing." [6]
"Audi describes the 5.2-litre V10 as a 'derivative' of the Lamborghini's V10, and in fact the 5.2 shares very few components with the 5-litre Lamborghini unit, the only significant shared parts being the drivetrain for the four camshafts. The reason is that the Audi V10s are built at the same factory as every other Audi engine, which, for economies of scale, has been configured to produce engines with a common 90mm bore spacing. The bore spacing of the Gallardo engine is 88mm. This is how the Audi V10 ends up with a different cylinder block, a new crankshaft, different pistons and new camshafts, while the more restricted engine bay, plus Audi's desire to give the engine its FSI direct injection, result in bespoke induction and exhaust systems and a new sump." [7] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rps (talkcontribs) 19:09, 18 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
OK, reading your cites, there is not a consensus among the sources. EVO says that the block is not made at the Audi engine plant. Drive/Edmunds says that Audi makes only the block and ships it to Lamborghini to assemble. Autobytel says that Audi makes the block and heads, but not in the normal Audi factory. But even in the latter two descriptions, what do we call an engine of which part of it is made in one place by one company and part is made in another place by a second company? In my opinion, who "makes" it is dependent upon final assembly. We don't give the credit to companies like Bosch, Delphi and Mahle who create components. I don't think we can sum it up in one sentence "Audi makes the engine."Eridanos (talk) 20:05, 18 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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That Jeremy Clarkson bit in Top Gear is about the Murcielago and not the Gallardo and so should be removed. Please check out the video on YouTube and remove it accordingly. Neptune000 (talk) 19:45, 29 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Too many pictures

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We have too many pictures (I recently added a picture myself so I'm not helping much) and I'm proposing we get rid of a few, which ones should be removed? The number 3 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 06:31, 24 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think you should remove pictures because people want to see the car and they won't be even interested because there's only one picture so don't remove



NO!! Siyolisile (talk) 15:31, 16 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

British police car

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Could someone please fix the picture of the British police car so that it does not cover up any words. Every time I do something, it shows up fine in the preview but not in the article. Zach4636 Talk 12:44, 24 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I looked at it in IE and everything was fine, but for some reason it will not work in Firefox. If no one else cares, I guess we can just leave it like it is. Zach4636 Talk 01:02, 26 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Updated the Nera information

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I've added a few details to the Nera information, didn't put a reference this time as it got deleted the last time I used it. The Nera was not available in two colors as stated originally, it was only available in black, a combination of high gloss and matte black, but still only black. Also the interior received the Q-Citura stitching, I think mentioning this name is important as it was the first Gallardo model to offer this option (it was standard on the Nera) from the Ad Personam program. I think this info is important to make sure all the details about the Nera are present, this is not spamming or anything, just setting the records straight. WikiBull (talk) 07:56, 9 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Performance Specifications

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Just wondering about the whole 0-60mph part. It states 0-60mph (0-100km). As I would think many people know, 60mph is not 100km/h. While it is close, I am sure the performance is actually slightly different between the two. Just voicing this. Would someone please respond with any solution? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.108.149.77 (talk) 05:23, 20 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

LP560 performance

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This car seems to defy the physics of power to weight ratios.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/download/1108_rt_lambo_dp.pdf http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/exotic/112_0808_2009_lamborghini_gallardo_lp560_4_test/index.html http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/hot_lists/high_performance/supercars_and_exotics/2009_lamborghini_gallardo_lp560_4_short_take_road_test

All three instrumented tests record the quarter-mile trap speed between 126 and 130 MPH. That's astonishingly fast for a 3400 lb. car with 550 HP, even to the point of suspicion. For perspective, the Dodge Viper SRT-10, which weighs 110 lbs less and has an additional 50 HP, could manage only 124. The Corvette ZR1, with almost 100 additional horsepower, nearly twice the torque, and 200 lbs less weight, reached an equivalent 126 to 130 mph.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/download/0209_chevyZR1_datapanel.pdf http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/download/1007_Viper_SRT10.pdf.pdf

I've left the LP560 results up because it's conceivable the AWD traction and the transmission's lack of torque interruption could result in such incredible times, but I'd still like to see a non-press-car test by less numbers-driven publications. Alexdi (talk) 18:12, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wording and Style

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This article is a bit jargony for an encyclopedia. In particular, what the heck is this supposed to mean:

"lower gearing turned an already fast car into a seriously quick"

Fast typically means top speed and quick refers to acceleration but that would be appropriate for a car magazine more than Wikipedia.

6StringJazzer (talk) 16:16, 17 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. The whole sentence "The result was a much improved car, it handled and turned in better, sounded better under full throttle and the extra power and lower gearing turned an already fast car into a seriously quick one." sounds like it was written by Jeremy Clarkson. Not neccesarily bad, just misplaced 62.172.85.29 (talk) 13:48, 20 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Gallardo and gallant

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I believe the following sentences in the first paragraph should be removed: "Despite similar sounding the [[Spanish language|Spanish]] word ''gallardo'' doesn't mean "gallant". It translates as "brave", "courageous", "ruthless".<ref>http://www.spanishdict.com/translate/gallardo</ref>"

a. The reference DOES state that gallant is a definition
b. The vehicle is named for a bull with that name, not the adjective
c. It's an Italian car, not Spanish (although it is a breed of Spanish fighting bull), so the Spanish definition is not really relevant

I removed the sentences but they were readded by User:Leo711 with the comment "Don't be such a sore loser". To me the sentences seem irrelevant, so I am bringing the discussion here to determine if the sentences should stay. Thanks, 72Dino (talk) 19:31, 18 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I am removing sentence again as there has been no discussion here for a few days. 72Dino (talk) 17:12, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Engine Power Specifications

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There is incorrect information about power output. It seems that the authors from non SI countries don't understand the metric horsepower according to SI which is in fact used as the name of the car by Lamborghini. So in many places where the power numbers are metric it is mentioned as PS (which is German). So PS should be HP which is metric horse power and all other places in which there is power mentioned like 562 should be "brake" horse power which is DIFFERENT from horse power (which refers to metric/SI horse power). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.28.214.196 (talk) 14:17, 24 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Clean Up

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I'm working on a clean up for the article, I feel it doesn't have much order, so I plan on dividing it in First generation: to put the info on the Gallardo, Gallardo Spyder and Gallardo SL. Second generation: for the LP560-4, LP560-4 Spyder, LP570-4 SL, LP570-4 SP and the LP550-2 (which is now a standard production model, similar to when they released the SE and the next model year Gallardo now had all the SE updates), I'll also add a special and limited edition section for the SE, Nera, Balboni, Bicolore and add the two new, Tricolore and the LP570-4 Super Trofeo Stradale. Mike.BRZ (talk) 07:11, 5 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I've put the clean up I was talking about, is not as extensive as I wanted... I really had no time for Wikipedia in this previous months, there's still a need for info on the first version of the Gallardo, anyway, let me know what you think about it. Mike.BRZ (talk) 22:57, 13 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

- great idea! I guess the LP570-4 SL replaced the LP560-4, while the LP570-4 SP was offered along side of the LP570-4 SL as a special lightweight performance car. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.222.112.6 (talk) 18:16, 24 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

- there's also the STS Super Trofeo Stradale — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.222.112.6 (talk) 18:24, 24 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Special editions

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There has been an affluence of special editions lately but I'm kind of confused about them, they are not even mentioned on the lamborghini website (listing only bicolre, tricolore and super trofeo stradale) the balboni isn't there because the RWD Gallardo now is a standard model while the SE and Nera aren't because they were from before the 2008 refresh but they used to be there and somehow all these new limited editions that are new aren't. Mike.BRZ (talk) 21:56, 26 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Merging Gallardo Superleggera page

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I consider that this car does not warrant its own page, it doesn't even contain extra information is the same that's already here. Mike.BRZ (talk) 08:24, 27 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It's been over a week and nothing has been said so I'll proceed with the merger. Mike.BRZ (talk) 20:59, 5 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Gallardo Performante

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Can someone please get some info and make a section on the Performante version of the gallardo? --Avyay45 (talk) 04:04, 3 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Actual origin of the name

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The beginning of the article states that the car is Named after a famous breed of fighting bull.

Immediately after, the Overview section says that The car name is taken from the 18th century Spanish bullfighting breeder Francisco Gallardo.

Which of these is true?
If it is the former (which is corroborated by an actual source), can we have the latter removed? 93.43.209.142 (talk) 21:07, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

edit request: lambourgini typo

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Please change lambourgini to Lamborghini:

This article has File:Police lambourgini.jpg in the Lamborghini Gallardo#London Metropolitan Police section. Some company names use multiple spellings, like Kay Bee Toys and KB Toys, but does Lamborghini ever use the name lambourgini (small L, plus u, minus h)? especially in English-speaking London?

If that spelling is incorrect, how do we fix the file name of that picture? Is it like a page move (like moving Blurr (film) to Blurr)? or is the only way to download the picture and reupload it with a new file name? What would that do to the Licensing, File history, Metadata, etc? Does someone have to copy-paste all that to the duplicate picture file/page?

i don't think i can upload a picture to Wikipedia without an account anyhow.

Thanks. --173.67.42.107 (talk) 06:10, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]