Talk:Lamb of God (band)

Labeling lead and rhythm guitar roles

Relative to this edit by Miked1992, I would like to get a sense of how the band's guitarists are described in the literature. It's not enough to point to one source to say Mark Morton is the lead guitarist or that Willie Adler is the rhythm guitarist – we should be looking at all the published sources to follow their established style. Below is a list of sources talking about Lamb of God guitarists.

• Jackson Guitars "guitarist" Mark Morton, not lead.
• Uber Pro Audio "Mark Morton is one of the two guitarists", not lead.
• Uber Pro Audio Adler is described as "one of the two guitarists" in the band, playing strong riffs "while Mark Morton plays more of the groove-oriented rhythms."
• Guitar World "guitarists Mark Morton and Willie Adler", not lead or rhythm
• Guitar World "guitarist Willie Adler" describes how he doesn't have any interest in playing lead parts and solos. But the magazine doesn't call him a rhythm guitarist.
• Music Radar "Willie Adler on mastering metal rhythm guitar"
• Blabbermouth "Guitarist Mark Morton", not lead.
• Blabbermouth "Guitarist Willie Adler", not rhythm.
• Metal Hammer "guitarist Mark Morton", not lead.
• Metal Hammer "Guitarist Mark Morton" "The lead guitarist says his blues influence..."
• Guitar magazine "lead guitarist" Mark Morton.
• Ultimate Guitar "guitarist Mark Morton", not lead.
• Revolver magazine "guitarist Mark Morton", not lead.
• Revolver magazine "guitarist Willie Adler", not rhythm.
• Guitar Player Mark "Morton and co-guitarist Willie Adler"... Morton talks about gear that he uses for his lead riffs, and other gear he uses for his rhythm parts, and he says he is the "more conventional player" of the two guitarists in the band.
• Guitar Player "Lamb of God co-guitarists Mark Morton and Willie Adler"... Morton talks about gear he uses for leads and for rhythm parts.
• Consequence of Sound "guitarist Mark Morton", not lead.
• Loudwire "guitarist Mark Morton", not lead.
• Loudwire "guitarist Willie Adler", not rhythm.
• Loudwire "guitarist Willie Adler", not rhythm.
• Side Stage magazine "guitarist Mark Morton", not lead.
• Metal Injection "guitarist Mark Morton", not lead.
• AllMusic "lead guitarist" Mark Morton
• The Blitz "guitarist Mark Morton", not lead.
• Kerrang "guitarist Mark Morton", not lead.
• Kerrang "guitarist Willie Adler", not rhythm.
• Outburn "guitarist Mark Morton", not lead.
• Anti Music "guitarist Mark Morton", not lead.

I'm seeing three sources in here that call Morton a lead guitar player, and only one that calls Adler a rhythm guitar player. There are other sources that discuss their roles, but these sources describe Morton playing both rhythm parts and lead parts, while Adler does his uniquely dissonant right hand riff stuff with active left pinky on the frets. Most observers talk about how Adler is unclassifiable, which means the usual lead vs rhythm dynamic isn't active here. It's more like Morton is conventional and Adler is not.

I don't think we should state in Wikipedia's voice that Morton is the lead guitarist, because the weight of the sources is against it. Even more strongly I believe we should not call Adler the rhythm guitarist, since he is so hard to define. Binksternet (talk) 22:32, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Note that the AllMusic source that labels Morton a lead guitarist says he also plays rhythm. Binksternet (talk) 22:36, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

I personally disagree, the reason being because Morton technically does nearly all to all of the bands solos in LOG during live shows and on albums, I personally feel that despite some sources saying guitars it is clear based on live clips of the band that Morton is playing a different melody than both Adler and Bassist Campbell, and Willie Adler has never done a single solo live. I personally do not want to create an edit war. Even though I personally disagree I also respect your opinion on these matters Binksternet (talk). I would personally like to hear other Wiki Users who know LOG's material before any changes are made. Thank YouMiked1992 (talk) 00:03, 6 April 2020 (UTC)Miked1992Miked1992 (talk) 00:03, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

What you are doing is looking at the band, watching what parts they play, and finding out who plays lead and who plays rhythm. That's a great thing to do if you were writing a magazine article or a book, but on Wikipedia it's not allowed per WP:No original research. You have to stop trying to get the article to reflect the truth as you see it, and instead get the article to summarize everything that's been written about the band. Binksternet (talk) 02:45, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank you Binksternet (talk) for your advice next time I will analyze a majority of sources to cross the bridge.Miked1992 (talk) 03:06, 7 April 2020 (UTC)Miked1992Miked1992 (talk) 03:06, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Dear Binksternet (talk), I am not trying to create an edit war on purpose, if you see me as totally misguided that is fine, but I am only applying changes to a band page like Lamb of God where there are ample sources that explain the guitar roles even if a majority just say guitars the general consensus outside of these sources seem to state Mark Morton as the primary lead guitarist of the band. For example, even bands like Metallica have both guitarists (James Hetfield and Kirk Hammett, as just "guitars") even though its clearer there that Kirk Hammett is the primary guitarist. I like many others see the LOG guitar section under a similar light as Metallica and other bands. I personally have left a message on the talk page of the article explaining my views and I hope that we can agree to disagree if we have opposing viewpoints. I am not changing edits with any malicious intent (I have Aspergers, which is on the Autism Spectrum), and I have found editing Wikipedia as a way to distract myself from what is currently going on outside. I hope to hear back from you soon on ways in which we can resolve this conflict of interest thanks, --Miked1992 (talk) 03:17, 20 April 2020 (UTC)Miked1992--Miked1992 (talk) 03:17, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Update, Binksternet (talk) here is an ALL Music Source that provides the clearest proof yet, I understand that you may disagree with me, but bullying lower level Wikipedia users by reverting their edits over conflicted beliefs is uncalled for.Miked1992 (talk) 03:54, 20 April 2020 (UTC)Miked1992Miked1992 (talk) 03:54, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Bink is not “bullying” you in the least, so please don’t use that term so lightly when the real problem is just that you’re mad you’re not getting your way. I agree that this is WP:OR. I wish you’d stop obsessing about this across various talk pages. It’s not really important. Please find something more constructive to work on. Sergecross73 msg me 20:49, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

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