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This page seems to be just duplicated information from the Mount_Tarawera article. Also, there is graffiti on the page. I'm a visitor, not a member, so can't change it.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.138.8.26 (talk • contribs) 7 March 2006 (UTC)

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Did an update on geology and water budget to bring into alignment articles peripheral to User:Turnagra improvements to 1886 eruption of Mount Tarawera article ChaseKiwi (talk) 11:01, 27 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I saw that, great work (and thanks for the Rotomakariri article too!) I'm thinking it could be worth adding in the bathymetry that GNS released, I'm just trying to resolve a question about whether we're actually allowed to use it first. But if so, there are ones for Rotoiti and Tarawera as well that could be good to add to their respective articles. Turnagra (talk) 19:36, 27 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Bathymetry

User:ChaseKiwi - the maps themselves have a CC licence on them, and I've been in touch with de Ronde at GNS to confirm that it's okay for the maps to be used provided they're referenced properly. if there's a place I need to send the email then please let me know but I'm pretty sure the maps are fine to use. Turnagra (talk) 20:47, 31 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for the hassle. That's potentially good to know. I had seen the image myself previously and thought it would have been great to use. The formal email has to go on the commons- see talk on the image page. Could not find the cc logo on the website and the rules seem to require an individual email. You can revert to my update of the website details hopefully fairly soon then. The rules give us 5 days. Remember however the arbitrator will probably work by USA rules and the problem here is that GNS is selling the image commercially in print form. ChaseKiwi (talk) 21:10, 31 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@ChaseKiwi the Cc logo is on the file itself, if you access the digital version of the full map it's in the bottom right corner with the other logos. I'm hoping that it's more acceptable given the email and that it's only a portion of the image rather than the whole thing. Turnagra (talk) 21:13, 31 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ah. You purchased the pdf (free) so know this, which I am not going to do, and now I can see a very illegible CC mark on web page thumb, but some CC does not allow derivative works. The CC has been lost on your uploaded cropped uploaded image, which of course is fine if the CC license used allows derivatives. As implied Wikipedia has complicated derivative and commercial rules with usual race to bottom with USA trying to make rules for rest of us. At one stage of my life I had to ensure others respected copyright in a non NZ jurisdiction so like the t's crossed and i's dotted ChaseKiwi (talk) 21:43, 31 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Have now looked at fine detail at Our Terms & Conditions (July 2016)

Think you are caught between a rock and a hard place...

You may not remove or cover any proprietary notices placed on the Publications by GNS Science.

You may not create derivative works from the Publications nor on-sell the Publications or portions of the Publications.

Any request to publish, reproduce, distribute of make derivative works from the Publications should be referred to GNS Science

Shame as better picture than my map ! ChaseKiwi (talk) 21:55, 31 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@ChaseKiwi Yeah, that was my question and hence my post on the WP:NZ notice board about it. in that case I think my email conversation with them should hopefully suffice in that case, I'll seek about getting them sent through as they expressly said I could take portions of the map so long as its properly attributed and then said the upload was fine. Turnagra (talk) 22:22, 31 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

By way of update, I've gone back and looked at the store page and the CC-BY-SA licence is clearly visible when mousing over the preview image, which is a licence that allows derivative works and which I think is more than enough to justify its use despite the terms of use, especially when combined with the email. Turnagra (talk) 09:06, 1 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]