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A fact from La Vie en rose appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 6 February 2006. The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that "La Vie en Rose" is the signature song of French singer Édith Piaf?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2006/February.

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(Her other characteristic song)

AFIK - Edith Piaf's signature song is "Je ne regrette rien" - I don't regret a thing - Her reply to accusations that she was a collaborator.
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.202.108.52 (talk) 04:34, 6 February 2006

She notably sang it, perhaps in unique circumstances, but that doesn't make it her signature song!
--Jerzy•t 01:44, 21 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Page location

Following a post on Wikipedia:Cut and paste move repair holding pen I have corrected a cut and paste move, and moved the article (and it's edit history) to La vie en rose. This seems most in keeping with the references and external links. I have also moved the article on Wikipedia.fr to the same location, and created redirects from variant capitalisations. If anyone feels this is innappropriate, feel free to discuss a page move here, or be bold and move the page using the "move page" function, but please do not just copy and paste the article to a new location since this loses the edit history. _└^UkPaolo/_talk^┐ 09:14, 12 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't searched back to see what move was involved (nor even whether the c&p problem has been fixed). Rather my concern is that we source our casing of the title, at least on this talk page. French-language references appear to offer no significant support of our current casing, "La Vie en rose". That is the current French WP title, altho fr:La vie en rose is an unremedied long-history Rdr left by a cut-and-paste move.
The following passage from the apparently official "LE CENTRE DES MONUMENTS NATIONAUX" page

ARC DE TRIOMPHE

En haut des Champs-Élysées, sur la place de l'Étoile, visitez l'Arc de triomphe, symbole national, véritable trait d'union entre le Paris ancien et le Paris contemporain, au sommet de l'axe reliant le Louvre à la Grande Arche de la Défense.

-- we consistently case them "Champs-Élysées" (which means "Elysian Fields"), "Place de l'Étoile", and "Arc de Triomphe", in mid-sentence -- suggests how hard a problem it is to discern the casing, in English text, of book and song titles of French-titled works.
IMO, the problem requires a guideline (that i haven't tried to find, but should be cited in this section) and perhaps careful and informed observation of French practice in specific cases.
--Jerzy•t 00:55, 21 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

All that said, i'm fascinated by the inclusion within the 1853 Almanach de la littérature du théatre et des beaux-arts this text (italics thus in original):

les, la Vie en rose est à peine digne que son nom soit placé sur celte liste, qui serait plus longue que la liste ..."

and

"d'un jour. La Vie en rose était un rêve, et rien de vivant, ...."

It appears to use the phrase twice as the title of a work, once with L downcased, within a sentence, and once with it upcased, at the beginning of a sentence. I don't call that verification, but it is IMO better reason than i expected to pursue verification of the way we have the article title now.
--Jerzy•t 04:56, 21 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

(Image emphasis)

Why is there a picture of Grace Jones and Donna Summer on an article about a song that is most closely associated with Edith Piaf? That needs to change. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.155.211.1 (talk) 16:38, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I can't find any available stock photos of Piaf that could be used but agree her image should be on this article.Aa1232011 (talk) 14:31, 10 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Article Quality

This article is appalling. I wholly concur with the sentiments above. The mass of material relating to Grace Jones and Donna Summer (how solipsistically American!) which takes up most of the article, should be relegated to a mention in the company of the other covers. There should be a photograph of Piaf whose song it effectively was and, ideally, the lyrics in both the original French and a sympathetic English translation. While of course she wasn't the only person to sing it and mention of the covers is perfectly valid, as it stands, this article is an insult to the memory of a great artist. Can anybody help? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lonstan (talk • contribs) 14:36, 28 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree that the Summer and Jones covers should be "relegated" to list format because these displayed are actual single releases and therefore have the same format as any of their own original compositions. Edith Piaf didn't live in a time when they were releasing remixes, so it's always going to dwarf her when it comes to technology. Add a photo of her, then, and including well-sourced information to balance--not remove legitimate material about other artists. This is an article about the SONG not its most beloved singer. 12.162.122.6 (talk) 14:54, 24 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I basically agree with the comment made by Lonstan, though he(she) perhaps overstates his(her) case. Using that much space for the the Grace Jones and Donna Summer covers throws the article out of balance. Besides, I'm pretty sure the best known rendition of the song after Edith Piaf's was Louis Armstrong's. Badmintonhist (talk) 22:01, 12 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Definitely agree with Lonstan on this one. There's no reason that two particular covers, which aren't even the most notable covers of the song (Armstrong's version is probably most notable, if only due to modern usage in popular media (eg its use in the 2008 film WALL-E) should get such undue attention. This article needs significant rewriting and citations. AlexDitto 05:28, 20 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, but what's with Ella Fitzgerald version? It's listed, but I can't find nothing about ehr version on internet, nor live or recording. http://ellafitzgerald.altervista.org/songs.htm --89.216.69.125 (talk) 11:37, 2 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Generic

"It has also become a generic song representing the French in foreign countries, as "Rule, Britannia!" and "Stars and Stripes Forever" have for Britain and the US, respectively."

Not sure about this. More than, say, La Marseillaise? Tsuguya (talk) 22:19, 23 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If this is going to stay, it definitely needs a citation, though it sounds pretty unverifiable to me. AlexDitto 05:30, 20 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Better wording could have been: "It has become an almost universal song representing the 'French cafe' sound to many in foreign countries." Glassofpinot (talk) 06:50, 29 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You're picking up a very old discussion thread concerning wording that has long since vanished. Your wording might be usable but only with a citation to show that someone in a newspaper had that opinion. Chiswick Chap (talk) 07:12, 29 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

What is it about?

There is infinitely much information about who covered the song, but nothing about the song itself, its lyrics and tune. For example, is the English version an accurate (or free) translation of the original French? --91.115.59.0 (talk) 18:51, 10 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Facts ok (but incomplete), emphasis wrong

Not only is there far more info about covers than the song; there is far more about Grace Jones and Donna Summer (see talk 10 July 2011 above) than a) all other artists combined, and b) Edith Piaf (and the song itself).

It might be best to cut the Jones and Summer text to the talk page to rebalance the article - after all, we can link to their wiki pages as to all the other cover artists. Come on, let's Be Bold and do it. It can be reversed when there are other materials (specially, on Piaf) to balance the cut materials here. Chiswick Chap (talk) 08:10, 20 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Belinda Carlisle also covered the song in 2007 2601:485:4180:A30:F936:CBC6:F10A:2076 (talk) 20:41, 31 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

a performance of a little importance

britains got talent 2013 la vie en rose sung live by two males in female voice . the name of the act bosom buddies . episode 4 . bosom buddies reached the live semi finals and performed in semi final 1 singing time to say goodbye but did not reach the final . — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.4.15.146 (talk) 02:16, 17 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

capitalization of "Vie" in title?

I'm wondering why the "Vie" is capitalized here; came here because of seeing this mentioned and it talks about lower-casing non-English phrases. Why is "Vie"capitalized then, and "en rose" is not?Skookum1 (talk) 10:38, 18 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It currently does seem to be a strange hybrid of French capitalization style ("La vie en rose") and English capitalization style ("La Vie en Rose")... AnonMoos (talk) 02:09, 8 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The Grace Jones Ad (sections) is an insult

Yer kidding me, right!?
So Grace Jones is the most important thing about this masterpiece?
Powerfully insightful expletives deleted.
You guys know better.
--2602:306:CFCE:1EE0:7998:DA9D:73B:DA6B (talk) 15:26, 8 January 2020 (UTC)Just Saying[reply]

Move to La vie en rose

Please move the article to La vie en rose. The fact that the title appears in the French Wikipedia with wrong capitalization is no reason to adopt it. --2A0A:A541:CE4F:0:154D:3014:1246:F326 (talk) 11:15, 25 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Irrelevant detail

This sentence in the Grace Jones section is like the keywords in the IMDb: "The video begins with Jones wearing a rose-patterned coat. Having removed it, the singer dances in a scant gold dress which reveals her right nipple as well as black underwear." In case you don't know what I mean, look up a random film on the IMDb and scroll through the keywords :-) 62.205.111.47 (talk) 07:21, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Private video

The only link in

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=La_Vie_en_rose&oldid=1143426676#External_links

is to a private youtube video. Suggest either finding a publicly available video or deleting the section. Andrewa (talk) 16:09, 2 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Vince Hill

The song "Take Me To Your Heart Again" redirects to here, but no mention of that song or Vince Hill in the article. It reached #18 in Canada March 14, 1966. [1] AMCKen (talk) 04:15, 23 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I see PlanetDeadwing has added an entry. AMCKen (talk) 19:16, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]