Talk:Kyoto Shoshidai

Tsuchiya Masanobu

I don't know what to make of this?

1. In 1783, Kuze Hirotami was replaced by Tsuchiya Masanobu, who was "previously governor of Miyako (kyōto machi bugyō).<:ref>Screech, p. 19, citing Deshima Dagregisters, 9/67.</ref>
2. Tsuchiya in 1984-1785 had 3000 koku as hereditary stipend + 1000 koku as Nagasaki governor's salary.<:ref>Screech, p. 222 n64.</ref>
3. Kurihara Morisada who had previously been Nagasaki bugyō, was promoted to Shogunal financial administrator or Kanjō-bugyō.<:ref>Screech, p. 222 n81.</ref>

In due course, these citations can become useful somewhere, probably. --Tenmei (talk) 20:53, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Alternate sequence

A chronological list of Kyoto shoshidai of the Tokugawa shogunate is the most obvious way to parse the subject; but it isn't the only or even necessarily the best way to proceed. The following re-sorts the serial list by clan relationships. Okudaira comes first because the first of any series with an unknown (and unknowable) duration is unique a priori. Thereafter, the clans are listed in the order of the earliest member of the sub-set -- that is, the Makino are positioned before the Inaba because Itakura Katsuhige came before Inaba Masamichi in the chronological sequence. Whether this alternative listing format is better -- or revealing -- remains undiscovered at this point, but for the moment, it may make it a little easier for me to cross-check intra-clan relationships .... --
Okudaira clan

• 1 Okudaira Nobumasa (1600-1601)

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Itakura clan —  Done

• 2 Itakura Katsushige (1601-1619)
• 3 Itakura Shigemune (1619-1654)
• 5 Itakura Shigenori (1668-1670)

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+Makino clan —  Done

• 3 Makino Chikashige (1654-1668) —  Done
• 17 Makino Hideshige (1724-1734) —  Done
• 19 Makino Sadamichi (1742-1749) —  Done
• 28 Makino Sadanaga (1781-1784) —  Done
• 32 Makino Tadakiyo (1798-1801) —  Done
• 48 Makino Tadamasa (1840-1843) —  Done
• 55 Makino Tadayuki (1862-1863) —  Done

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Toda clan

• 7 Toda Tadamasa (1678-1681)
• 28 Toda Tadatō (1784-1789)

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+Inaba clan —  Done

• 8th Inaba Masamichi (1681-1685) —  Done
• 34 Inaba Masanobu (1804-1806) —  Done
• 55 Inaba Masakuni (1863-1864) —  Done

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Naitō clan

• 10 Naitō Shigeyori (1687-1690)
• 39 Naitō Nobuatsu (1823-1825)
• 49 Naitō Nobuchika (1850-1851)

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Matsudaira clan

• 11th Matsudaira Nobuoki (1690-1691)
• 13 Matsudaira Nobutsune (1697-1714)
• 15 Matsudaira Tadachika (1717-1724)
• 19 Matsudaira Sukekuni (1749-1752)
• 21 Matsudaira Terutaka (1756-1758)
• 38 Matsudaira Norihiro (1818-1823)
• 40 Matsudaira Yasutō (1825-1826)
• 42 Matsudaira Muneakira (1828-1832)
• 44 Matsudaira Nobuyori (1834-1837)
• 53 Matsudaira Munehide (1862)
• 56 Matsudaira Sadaaki (1864-1867)

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Mizuno clan

• 14th Mizuno Tadayuki (1714-1717)
• 41 Mizuno Tadakuni (1826-1828)

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+Sakai clan —  Done

• 21 Sakai Tadamochi (1752-1756) —  Done
• 37 Sakai Tadayuki (1808-1815) —  Done
• 49 & 53 Sakai Tadaaki (1843-1850) —  Done
• 55 Sakai Tadaaki (2nd time; 1858-1862) —  Done

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Abe clan

• 23 Abe Masasuke (1760-1764)
• 24 Abe Masachika (1764-1768)
• 35 Abe Masayoshi (1806-1808)

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Doi clan

• 25 Doi Toshisato (1769-1777)
• 32 Doi Toshiatsu (1801-1802)
• 45 Doi Toshitsura (1837-1838)

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+Ōta clan —  Done

• 30 Ōta Sukeyoshi (1789-1782) —  Done
• 44 Ōta Sukemoto (1832-1834) —  Done

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Miscellaneous

• 6 Nagai Naotsune (1670-1678)
• 9 Tsuchiya Masanao (1685-1687)
• 12 Ogasawara Nagashige (1691-1697) —  Done
• 17 Toki Yoritoshi (1734-1742)
• 22 Inoue Masatsune (1758-1760)
• 26 Kuze Hiroakira (1777-1781)
• 30 Hotta Masanari (1792-1798)
• 33 Aoyama Tadayasu (1802-1804)
• 37 Ōkubo Tadazane (1815-1818)
• 46 Manabe Akikatsu (1838-1840)
• 50 Wakisaka Yasuori (1851-1857)
• 51 Honda Tadamoto (1857-1858)

I wonder: Does this listing format invite any questions? comments? suggestions? --Tenmei (talk) 18:54, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Kamakura shogunate

I wonder if this article might be improved by something like the following:

Kyoto shoshidai of the Kamakura period

List of Rokuhara tandai during the Kamakura shogunate
Ordinal	Name	Duration	Notes
The Kamakura period Rokuhara tandai functioned much like the Edo period Kyoto shoshidai.
1	Hōjō Tokiuji ...?	.	<:ref name="m103n2">Mass, Jeffrey P. (1976). "The Bafuku comes to the Aid of Beleagured Jitō, 1206, 1227, 1227," The Kamakura Bakufu: A Study in Documents, p. 103 n2.</ref>
2	Hōjō Tokimori ...?	.	<:ref name="m103n2">[see above]</ref>

References

• Mass, Jeffrey P. (1976). The Kamakura Bakufu: A Study in Documents. Stanford:Stanford University Press. 10-ISBN 0-804-70907-6

If not now, perhaps at some other time in the future? --Tenmei (talk) 20:42, 8 March 2008 (UTC)