Talk:Kylie Minogue (album)/GA1

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Reviewer: K. Peake (talk · contribs) 13:58, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV ()

3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant ()

Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

I will start reviewing later on, but this article is quite large so it admittedly won't be fully reviewed until tomorrow. --K. Peake 13:58, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox and lead

Remove the usage of the word "studios" in the studio parameter per Template:Infobox album
"Mushroom Records released it in Australia." → "while a release was issued through Mushroom Records in Australia on the same date."
"with the independent label" → "with the independent record label" with the wikilink
"After unsuccessful sessions" → "After generally unsuccessful sessions"
"containing elements of electronic dance," → "containing elements of dance," with the target, as this is what the section really backs up
"Minogue showcases her vocal range in the mid-tempo tracks" this is not properly referenced, only being mentioned for one track in the body
"seduction, womanhood, and the enjoyment of life." → "seduction and womanhood." per British English, plus only one song is about the enjoyment
Target Music critics to Music journalism
"and deemed it the start of a new phase in her" → "while observing the start of a new phase in Minogue's"
"It experienced moderate success worldwide, peaked in" → "The album peaked in" because the "moderate success" part is not appropriate lead language
"and was certified gold" → "alongside being certified gold"
"The album attained top 40" → "It attained top 40"
"in Sweden, Switzerland and" → "in Switzerland, Sweden and" for consistency with the reverse alphabetical order
"a limited coffee-table book" → "a limited edition coffee-table book" with the target
""Put Yourself in My Place", and" → ""Put Yourself in My Place" and"
"Highly popular film projects" part is not properly sourced, only being mentioned in the lead for one delay
"the album dropped" → "Kylie Minogue dropped"
"Kylie Minogue was re-issued" → "The album was re-issued"

All done. Damian Vo (talk) 04:49, 7 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Background

Target Deconstruction to Deconstruction Records on the quotebox
"In 1991, Kylie Minogue released" → "In 1991, Minogue released"
[6][3] should be put in numerical order
Wikilink record labels
Target indie label to Independent record label
Target dance to Dance music
"to forgo a major label contract." → "to sign an indie label contract." per the source
[11][10] put in numerical order
"liked [their] attitude," → "liked [Destruction's] attitude," because you have not mentioned the label name for a while plus [] is for paraphrasing

All done. Damian Vo (talk) 04:49, 7 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Recording and development

1993: Early sessions

"but their work was scrapped" → "but their work was mostly scrapped." per punctuation and since they have credits on other editions
"and intended to push her" → "with him intending to push her"
Remove wikilink on dance music
[14][1] put in numerical order
Target pop to Pop music
"in planning the album" → "in planning for the album"
"Minogue was flattered and" → "She was flattered and" to avoid starting two consecutive sentences with her surname
"said that this attempt suggests" → "said that this attempt suggested"
"the making of her album." → "the making of the album."
Maybe you should mention around the "were scrapped" part that however, Saint Etienne had involvement with the album editions?
Target Bob Stanley to Bob Stanley (musician)
"later remarked that her camp" → "later remarked that the singer's camp" to be specific
Target single to Single (music)
""When Are You Coming Home?" but dropped it" → ""When Are You Coming Home?", but scrapped the song"
"on the tracklist and was the only song listing" → "on the tracklist of Kylie Minogue and was the only song to list"
"approached her to work" → "approached Minogue to work" since this is a new para
Introduce who Prince is
"she had written, entitled "Baby Doll". Prince" → "she had written for a song entitled "Baby Doll"; Prince" because the sentences are too short
"making Mama Said (1991), and" → "making his fourth studio album Mama Said (1991) and"
"Minogue and Bobby Gillespie" → "The singer and Bobby Gillespie"
[22] should not be mid-sentence when it is also invoked at the end
"but their record company" → "but their record label"
[22][19] put in numerical order
Lowercase the Beloved and the Auteurs per MOS:THEMUSIC
"for the album but they" → "for Kylie Minogue, but the material"
The source says nothing about the song not being released on the album

All done. Damian Vo (talk) 04:50, 7 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

1993–1994: Later development

"Deconstruction co-founders Keith Blackhurst and Pete Hadfield were" → "Hadfield and fellow Deconstruction co-founder Keith Blackhurst were"
Target electronic to Electronic music
"Minogue met the pair at" → "Minogue met Brothers in Rhythm at"
[24][16] put in numerical order
Img looks good!
[25][12] put in numerical order on both occasions
"vocals. She gained confidence" → "vocals, while she gained confidence"
"recording the album." → "recording Kylie Minogue."
"chief producer, and produced four tracks on the album:" → "chief producer and produced four of the tracks:"
[28] should be solely at the end of the para since it is used for both the penultimate and last sentences
Remove comma after Power Station
"outside the United Kingdom." → "outside the UK."
[28][21] put in numerical order
No source says specifically that "Intuition" was recorded during those sessions
"work with SAW, and" → "work with SAW and"
[31][19] put in numerical order on both occasions
Identify the duo name of Pete Heller and Terry Farley
"Label mate M People" → "Minogue's label mate M People"
"for the album but" → "for Kylie Minogue, but"
[28][19] put in numerical order on both occasions
"on the final album are" → "on the album are"
Remove comma after "Time Will Pass You By"

All done. Damian Vo (talk) 04:50, 7 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Music and lyrics

Remove comma before that
Elements of hip hop, acid jazz and club music are also listed by PopMatters; shouldn't you mention these?

Great catch! Added to the paragraph. Damian Vo (talk) 04:58, 7 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

[32][13] put in numerical order
"wrote that the record is" → "wrote that the album is"
"found the album includes" → "found Kylie Minogue includes"
"described the album as" → "describe the album as" because that is a biography quote, not an online source one
Digital Spy should not be italicised
"dance productions, and tracks" → "dance productions and tracks"
"embrace of club music that emulate" → "embracement of club music that emulates"
Target 12" to Twelve-inch single
Audio sample looks good!
"The album opens with" → "Kylie Minogue opens with"
The first source mentions the song's indie pop elements, rather than indie itself or dance-pop
"features an orchestral arrangement by" → "features an arrangement by" per the source
"because of the interpolations" → "because of the interpolation" with the target
Add the liner notes before [38], as they are needed for a source of the name he is credited under
Remove target on Balearic pop
"jazz, and R&B-influences," → "jazz and R&B-influences,"
Why is [13] here when it offers no mention of the track?

The track is mentioned: "the sensuous jazz entreaties of “Surrender” and “Automatic Love”". Damian Vo (talk) 04:48, 7 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

[35][34] put in numerical order
Wikilink Tia Carrere
[13] calls the track disco and acid jazz-based so reword accordingly, plus why is [14] here when it backs up nothing again?
Wikilink power ballad per MOS:LINK2SECT
Target trip-hop to Trip hop
Why is [14] here when it does not back up any of the sentence?
[35][40][34] put in numerical order
"is a ballad" → "is a chilled-out track" per the source calling it this and not a ballad
"that showed Minogue" → "that show Minogue" but none of this sentence is backed up by the source

From the source: "sensuous jazz entreaties of 'Surrender' and 'Automatic Love'. These ballads had Minogue eager in her burgeoning womanhood". Damian Vo (talk) 04:48, 7 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

[13] should solely be at the end of the sentence
"Minogue whispered the lyrics" → "Minogue whispers the lyrics" because this is about the song itself, not its recording
Again, [13] does not back up the material of the last two sentences of this para

From the source: “Where Has the Love Gone?” and “Falling”, tempestuous uptempos, veered from the traditional CD length; letting the arrangements breathe, the songs were deliciously fussy with lines like "I'm a woman and I've got my vanity". Damian Vo (talk) 04:48, 7 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"encapsulated Minogue's trademark" → "encapsulates Minogue's trademark" but only the piano house part is sourced

From the source: "Minogue's trademark “joie de vivre” that encapsulated her "Smilie Kylie" days (think "Got To Be Certain") got a sophisticated makeover on the salty swing of “If I Was Your Lover” and the grinning “Time Will Pass You By”." Damian Vo (talk) 04:58, 7 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Artwork and release

Retitle to Artwork and title

Oops! Damian Vo (talk) 05:05, 7 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Img looks good!
"shot the album's artwork," → "shot the artwork for Kylie Minogue,"
"lasted for seven hours" → "lasted for around six or seven hours" per the source
Target androgynous to Androgyny
[43] should be at the end of the para rather than the last two sentences, but keep in the other areas due to the different refs being used
""delightful" adding the album" → ""delightful", adding Kylie Minogue"
"and that the cover is" → "further writing that the cover is"
"felt the cover reflects" → "feel the cover reflects"
"which they compared" → "which they compare"
"commented that Minogue's image" → "comments that Minogue's image"
"Smith felt the simple title" → "Smith feels the simple title"

All done. Damian Vo (talk) 05:05, 7 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Release and promotion

Img looks good!
"and European countries by" → "and other European countries by"
"and in Australia" → "and in Australia simultaneously" to be specific
"on 21 October 1994 with" → "on 21 October 1994 by the former of the two labels with"
Wikilink bonus tracks per MOS:LINK2SECT
Remove comma after the brackets
Introduce Enjoy Yourself as being her second studio album
"and Geffen Records dropped" → "with Geffen Records dropping"
Target BMG to Bertelsmann Music Group
[59][60] should solely be at the end of the para together, as this pair is used for the last two sentences
"including Minogue's album, which was scheduled in" → "including the album, which was scheduled for"
"It was re-released in Australia" → "Kylie Minogue was re-released in Australia" since this is a new para
"B-sides, and a" → "B-sides and a" with the target
"unreleased track titled" → "unreleased track, titled"
Wikilink reissued
Target vinyl to Phonograph record
"as white vinyl" → "as a white vinyl"
"Kylie Minogue appears on" → "Kylie Minogue appear on"
"while Minogue's recorded there." → "while Minogue recorded there."
[70][57] put in numerical order
"Debbie Harry-theme photoshoot" → "Debbie Harry-themed photoshoot"
New York Factory → the Factory studio
[57] should be only at the end of the para instead of the last two sentences, as it backs both up (keep in other areas though)
Remove wikilink on coffee table book

All done. Damian Vo (talk) 05:40, 7 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Singles

Wikilink lead single on the img text, plus a second full-stop is needed
"Her cover of "Nothing Can Stop Us" and "If You Don't Love Me" and" → "Her covers of "Nothing Can Stop Us" and "If You Don't Love Me", alongside"
Remove target on B-side
"Farley and Heller (billed as Fire Island) featured" → "Fire Island featured"
Wikilink music video
"and reaching number 10 in France and number 39 on the US Billboard Dance Club Songs chart." → "while reaching numbers 10 and 39 in France and on the US Billboard Dance Club Songs chart, respectively."
Correct name the Australia chart the ARIA Singles Chart
[29][8][9] put in numerical order
Remove comma after film
"reached number eleven in" → "narrowly missed the top 10, reached number 11 in both" per MOS:NUM
Neither of the first two sentences of the last para are backed up by [13]

From the source: Whispers of an attempted U.S. breach with “If I Was Your Lover” did not come to fruition. Minogue began to consider “Time Will Pass You By” as her concluding single..."

""Where Is The Feeling?" was planned" → "The song was planned" but why does "The" start with capitalisation here but not elsewhere?
The last sentence is not backed up by ref 13; I just did some research and saw that page 2 sources it though, so you can add a citation for that here and maybe for the other info using a ref name; I don't know since I did not look through it in great detail yet

The site has since merged two pages of the article into one :D Damian Vo (talk) 05:39, 7 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Critical reception

Retitle to Reception, as there is a list of awards at the end of the section
"received generally positive reviews from music critics." → "was met with generally positive reviews from music critics." with the target
[33][17] put in numerical order
"off with ease."" → "off with ease"." per MOS:QUOTE
"classy", and "remarkably" → "classy" and "remarkably"
A number of these are reviews not available on online pages; should some be in the present tense, as I'm not entirely sure honestly?

I used the past tense for all the reviews, same as two other articles that you previously reviewed (Rhythm of Love, Let's Get to It). Damian Vo (talk) 05:55, 7 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Remove target on Classic Pop
"previous albums, and concluded" → "previous albums and concluded"
"found the recording" → "found the album"
Mention Jonathan Bernstein of Spin by name
"mid-tempo material was the" → "mid-tempo material is the"
Cite page 2 for [13] yet again; plus the Madonna parts are mostly not sourced

The site has already merged two pages into one :D Damian Vo (talk) 05:55, 7 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"Harrison concluded the records" → "Harrison concluded that the records"
Make the ARIA Music Awards a separate para, as this is fine when there is not enough content to start a sub-section
"for "Confide In Me", and" → "for "Confide In Me" and"

All done. Damian Vo (talk) 05:55, 7 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Commercial performance

Does the PopMatters source really back up the album receiving moderate success?
"her fifth top-ten entry." → "her fifth top-10 entry on the UK Albums Chart." per MOS:NUM, with the wikilink
[91][8] put in numerical order
"It fell to number thirteen the following week, and" → "It fell to number 13 the following week and"
Add BPI in brackets for the certification body
"certified it gold within a month of its release" → "certified Kylie Minogue gold within a month of the album's release"
Mention that it sold those copies in the UK
"on the UK Albums Chart, and" → "on the UK Albums Chart and"
"the album had previously peaked" → "Kylie Minogue had previously peaked"
"spent 11 weeks on the chart." → "spent 11 weeks on the ARIA Albums chart."
"the eighty-fourth best-selling album of the year" → "the 84th best-selling album of 1994"
Add ARIA in brackets for the certification body
Mention that it sold those copies in Australia
"the album peaked at" → "Kylie Minogue peaked at"
[102][53] put in numerical order

All done. Damian Vo (talk) 06:03, 7 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Track listing

[28][38] put in numerical order

Done. Damian Vo (talk) 06:09, 7 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Personnel

Target Tim Bran to Dreadzone

Done. Damian Vo (talk) 06:10, 7 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Charts

Good

Certifications and sales

Good

Release history

Maybe add an edition col since there were a number of different ones?

I think it may be unnecessary. The only different editions are the standard and special (in 2003), since the re-releases are all the same. Regional ones are already reflected by the "region" col. Damian Vo (talk) 06:08, 7 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

Copyvio score looks fairly good at 25.9%

Footnotes

Top job with the archiving wherever possible!
Regarding my comments about ref 13, it is obvious that page 2 is being used as a source at points so either add that as a separate ref or use an appropriate parameter for specifying the two pages of this source
Cite Blogcritics as publisher instead for ref 14
WP:OVERLINK of The Guardian on ref 23
WP:OVERLINK of Idolator on refs 30 and 46
WP:OVERLINK of Billboard on ref 37
WP:OVERLINK of PopMatters on ref 40
WP:OVERLINK of Deconstruction on refs 54 and 55
WP:OVERLINK of Official Charts Company on ref 66
Cite Junkee as publisher instead for ref 75

All done. Damian Vo (talk) 06:16, 7 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sources

Good; don't think overlink applies here since they are not numerically sorted like refs

External links

Good

Final comments and verdict

On hold until all of the issues are fixed; that review took a while but was definitely worth it! --K. Peake 20:40, 6 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I believe I have addressed all your comments above. Thanks again for reviewing yet another lengthy article of mine with such detailed comments and dedication. Damian Vo (talk) 06:20, 7 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Damian Vo ✓ Pass now, I too am appreciative of you for your responses always being so timely and accurate! --K. Peake 11:44, 7 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]