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On 21 November 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved from Kyōko Koizumi to Kyoko Koizumi. The result of the discussion was moved.

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: No move. The discussion was started and contributed to by abusive socks of a permanently blocked editor, and is too affected by sockpuppetry to determine consensus. Cúchullain ^t/c 17:38, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Kyōko Koizumi → Kyoko Koizumi
Kōji Yakusho → Koji Yakusho

– My evidence: The official website and blog for Koizumi uses Kyoko. Similarly, the official website for Yakusho uses Koji. The Google books results are, for Koizumi, 365 for Kyoko versus five for Kyōko, a ratio of 73 to one, and for Yakusho, 1730 for Koji versus 32 for Kōji, a ratio of 54 to one. The policy I appeal to is WP:JTITLE: "Use the form personally or professionally used by the person (such as on their official website or official social media profile), if available in the English/Latin alphabet" and "Use the form publicly used on behalf of the person in the English-speaking world". (These two individuals are unrelated people. I am grouping them together because the arguments and evidence are virtually identical in nature. I apologize if this is inappropriate.) Mysterious Island (talk) 01:18, 7 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support, per Asahi Shimbun, AllMusic, and Roger Ebert. Kauffner (talk) 19:07, 8 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support - as per Mysterious Island and Kauffner. Additionally, regarding to Yakusho, Koji (not Kōji) is used on the film posters such as Silk (2007), Tokyo Sonata (2008) and 13 Assassins (2010). 123.225.11.135 (talk) 11:40, 14 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 21 November 2022

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The result of the move request was: moved. Per consensus. (closed by non-admin page mover) – robertsky (talk) 02:58, 5 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Kyōko Koizumi → Kyoko Koizumi – A previous attempt to move this page was turned down because of who requested it and supported themselves with sockpuppets. However, I believe the reason for the move is correct.

According to Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Japan-related articles#Personal names articles about Japanese people should be titled after "the spelling and name order … most commonly used in reliable, third-party English-language sources (encyclopedias, newspapers, magazines, academic books, academic journals, etc.)" and if there is not enough written in English for that to be clearly determined, it should be "the form personally or professionally used by the person, if available in the English/Latin alphabet".

Her name is spelt "Kyoko Koizumi", without a macron, by these third- and first-party sources alike:

The Japan Times https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/05/16/national/media-national/entertainers-criticism-response-covid-19-crisis/
Japanese Film Database https://jfdb.jp/en/person/1659
Japan Program Catalog https://www.japan-programcatalog.com/en/program/prisonprincesses
TBS Program Catalog https://www.tbscontents.com/en/program/reall
Viki https://www.viki.com/celebrities/10485pr-koizumi-kyoko
Japan Zone https://www.japan-zone.com/modern/koizumi_kyoko.shtml
her record label's page for her https://www.jvcmusic.co.jp/-/Artist/A000330.html
her YouTube channel https://www.youtube.com/c/kyon2/featured
her TikTok account https://www.tiktok.com/@kyoko_koizumi

The order is not consistent, but the "Kyoko Koizumi" order appears to dominate. Tempjrds (talk) 00:18, 21 November 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. NasssaNser_talk 01:55, 28 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose some readers might want to know how to pronounce the name correctly. It does no harm to anyone to know how the name is pronounced. きょうこ not きょこ. In ictu oculi (talk) 16:38, 21 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nomination. Names transliterated into English from languages that do not use the Latin alphabet should only employ accents and diacritics if that is how the WP:COMMONNAME is rendered in each respective instance. As indicated in the numerous submitted citations, this name is not rendered into English via use of diacritics. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 02:15, 28 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support based on the sources provided it appears that the proposed title appears to be the WP:COMMONNAME and I don’t see the suggestion that keeping the current title helps people pronounce the subjects name correctly is a strong enough reason not to change the title.--65.92.162.81 (talk) 04:33, 28 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support per WP:COMMONNAME. Rreagan007 (talk) 22:18, 28 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support per WP:ABOUTSELF (and also common name, sure). The social media sites like YouTube support macrons just fine; if she isn't using them, that means she prefers a Romanized form without them and deserves deference for that choice. SnowFire (talk) 21:20, 30 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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