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A fact from Kushner family appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 10 December 2021 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that some members of the Kushner family objected after Jared invoked their grandparents' resistance in Nazi-occupied Poland to support his denial of Donald Trump's alleged antisemitism?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2021/December. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Kushner family.

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https://www.jta.org/2017/06/06/global/jared-kushners-family-is-a-legend-in-this-belarus-town https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a47697/jared-kushner-trump-campaign/ https://www.businessinsider.com/jared-kushner-family-history-ivanka-charles-joshua-2020-5 https://avenuemagazine.com/kushner-family-civil-war-karlie-kloss-joshua-kushner-social-media/ https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/21/nyregion/jersey-city-kushner-fulop-jared-journal-square-development.html https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/meet-the-kushners-the-real-estate-dynasty-that-links-trump-christie-1.5411793 – Muboshgu (talk) 01:19, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 09:00, 5 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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... that members of the Kushner family joined the Bielski partisans, a Jewish partisan group in German-occupied Poland? [1]
- ALT1: ? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)

Comment: It's been a little while since my last nomination, I owe a review

Created by Muboshgu (talk). Self-nominated at 04:23, 4 November 2021 (UTC).[reply]

@Muboshgu: Date, size, refs, neutrality, hook, all good. I do wonder if we could add something to the hook about the family's modern prominence, since the WWII history is pretty much a trivia footnote related to their modern-era importance? Anyway, all GTG, just waiting for QPQ review. Ping me when it is done for the final tick. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 10:17, 10 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Piotrus, Template:Did you know nominations/Art Sqool is my QPQ. I thought about avoiding the whole orange elephant in the room on this one. Maybe it's my own bias as a descendant of Holocaust survivors that drew me to a hook on the partisans. But I can propose a hook that includes it... – Muboshgu (talk) 03:02, 12 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Muboshgu, Thanks. Just a final nitpick for ALT1: can we avoid the WP:EASTEREGG problem and spell out Donald Trump in it?--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 09:01, 12 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Piotrus, yeah why not. Not sure why I did that. Anyone else can wordsmith the blurb as needed. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:40, 12 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Jared Kushner

ALT1 ... ~~that while some members of the Kushner family resisted the Nazi-occupation of Poland, Jared Kushner (pictured) defended Donald Trump against allegations of anti-Semitism?~~
with pref for ALT1 (newest). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 10:30, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, but ALT1 is non-neutral in my view, as it implies by way of comparison that Jared Kusher is an enabler of antisemitism. Gatoclass (talk) 19:37, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You could possibly go with something like:

ALT2 ... that some members of the Kushner family objected after Jared (pictured) invoked their grandparents' resistance in Nazi-occupied Poland to support his denial of Donald Trump's alleged antisemitism? Gatoclass (talk) 21:14, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Gatoclass, I was afraid I might've tacked too far in that direction with ALT1. ALT2 works for me. I guess my only question is if [[Occupation of Poland (1939–1945)|the Nazis]] is an EGG and if it shouldn't be [[Occupation of Poland (1939–1945)|Nazi-occupation of Poland]]. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:16, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it is a bit EGG-ish Muboshgu, but it's the only way I could get the hook under 200 characters. Gatoclass (talk) 21:22, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, the dreaded character count. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:28, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Tweaked to avoid the EGG - it's still under 200 chars. Gatoclass (talk) 21:36, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

ALT2 needs review. Gatoclass (talk) 21:54, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Sure, that hook seems appropriate. ALT2 approved (ALT0 previously approved). ezlev (user/tlk/ctrbs) 00:22, 5 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

ALT2 to T:DYK/P2 without image

What a load of rubbish...

1 - There are HUNDREDS of unrelated Kushner families in the US, it is a VERY common Jewish name. See here for example https://www.kushnerandkushnerlaw.com/

2 - No one in this particular Kushner family is notable in any way except Jared, and he is only notable because he's married to Ivanka Trump.

3 - Not one of the facts in the bloated lead is sourced.

4 - How can this entire article even exist without any mention of NEPOTISM??!?

This is a political PoV puff-piece apparently crafted to provide Jared with some kind of legitimacy. Am I seeing a pattern here related to the author who originated this article? R.Giskard R. (talk) 23:37, 11 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

R.Giskard R.

1) This article is about the Kushner family that Jared is a part of. It's the only notable one that I'm aware of. There's more than one Reed family and Kennedy family in the world as well.

2) Then explain why Charles Kushner, Murray Kushner, and Joshua Kushner have articles.

3) Read MOS:LEAD. Facts in the lead don't need to be sourced if they're sourced in the body, which they are

4) If you want to be constructive, rather than doing what you're doing, you can propose an edit.

5) Comment on content, not on the contributor. You don't know me and you don't know my leanings, clearly. You are being WP:UNCIVIL and are not assuming good faith. You could be on your way to some sanctions if you don't improve your behavior. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:45, 11 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]