Talk:Kurds'komu bratovi

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The result was: promoted by –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 03:18, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Kurds'komu bratovi

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... that a clandestine poem from 1963 about the Kurds became the Ukrainian symbol of national revival and resistance against Soviet oppression? [1]
- ALT1:... that Vasyl Symonenko's poem regarding the oppression of the Kurds became a symbol for Ukrainian resistance against the Soviet Union? [2]

Created by Ahmedo Semsurî (talk). Self-nominated at 19:44, 16 June 2019 (UTC).[reply]

Since a week has passed since the creation of the page, if it's still possible to nominate it? Ahmedo Semsurî (talk) 10:59, 29 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
This article is new enough and long enough. The hook facts are cited inline, the article is neutral and I detected no copyright or plagiarism issues. A QPQ is not needed here, but you could do one if you like to help reduce the backlog of unreviewed hooks! Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:00, 12 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

A fact from Kurds'komu bratovi appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 4 August 2019 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that a clandestinely-distributed poem about the Kurds became a Ukrainian symbol of national revival and resistance against the Soviet Union?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2019/August. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Kurds'komu bratovi.

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A fact from Kurds'komu bratovi appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 29 September 2019 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that a clandestinely-distributed poem about the Kurds became a Ukrainian symbol of national revival and resistance against the Soviet Union?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2019/September. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Kurds'komu bratovi.

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Full text of poem

Symonenko died in 1963. Copyright in Ukraine generally lasts 70 years after the death of the creator. Unless this poem is legitimately in the public domain in the United States, we cannot post it on Wikipedia. English translations of the poem may also be copyrighted. --Animalparty! (talk) 19:57, 18 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Animalparty Before removing the poem, I can see that it's okay to 'use brief verbatim textual excerpts from copyrighted media', if it's 'properly attributed or cited to its original source or author'.[3] What is brief enough though? How many verses before copyright infringement is triggered? --Ahmedo Semsurî (talk) 20:58, 18 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The short answer is as brief/as little as possible, although there is no magic number. The entire poem is clearly unacceptable (and even if it was public domain, Wikipedia is not the place for full texts of primary sources). Per WP:COPYQUOTE, "The copied material should not comprise a substantial portion of the work being quoted", and per Wikipedia:Non-free_content#Text, "Brief quotations of copyrighted text may be used to illustrate a point, establish context, or attribute a point of view or idea." Short excerpts (e.g. no more than 2 lines at a time) might be used if they are essential to the reader's understanding and cannot be summarized or paraphrased. Excerpts should never be used just because they look nice: they should be directly related to encyclopedic coverage (e.g. "poetry scholar X notes that the language of the first line draws inspiration from...). --Animalparty! (talk) 21:22, 18 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

???

Can anyone tell me where did Symonenko said that Ukrainians must fight against the Soviet power? I just don't understand, to be honest. And this opinion, as I understand, doesn't coincide with his other poems (for example, in one of them he says, that if "Muscovites" hadn't "return from the East", Ukraine and Ukrainians "would be sold", and he blames Ukrainian nationalists of WW2 that "where they were walking — there are only ruins, and dead bodies can't be fitted in graves"... Or in other one he asks "where are you now, executioners of my nation? Where is your power? [...] The nation is growing up without any opressions [...]" and so on), so please anyone, explain me this thing Aeldare (talk) 20:30, 8 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

By the way, it more looks like that he compares Kurds and Ukrainians, but not Soviet ones, but Ukrainians of the Russian Empire Aeldare (talk) 20:31, 8 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]