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Merge

PJAK is not political wing of PKK. It looks to PKK and Ocalan for inspiration and is allied with them, but is an independent and separate group. Khorshid 02:20, 19 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I beg to differ... --Cat out 02:23, 19 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Cool Cat, do you have any sources that say this? —Khoikhoi 02:38, 20 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Not the same organisation. Khorshid 21:25, 20 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose They are different

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.1.58.223 (talk • contribs) 19:33, 22 June 2006

The merge was proposed on 19 June 2006 by cool cat. On this page i see only oppose, and on Talk:Kurdistan_Workers_Party#Party_for_a_Free_Life_in_Kurdistan_be_merged_to_Kurdistan_Workers_Party i see only oppose. So i'm about to remove the merge tag. If someone has verifiable, external evidence that the two organisations are essentially the same thing (not just closely related), then i suggest you present that evidence on one of the two discussion pages (maybe PJAK since the discuss page is less busy) and see if other people agree that that is NPOV. Boud 22:56, 2 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Maoist

"These words are not quite coded speech, but they are PJAK's way of batting its eyelashes at the United States, of implying that the world's superpower and this ornery Maoist gang might find common cause against Tehran."

"PJAK fled to the Qandils in 2004, under the mistaken impression that Iran would not hunt down its members if they were on Iraqi land. They joined members of the Kurdistan Workers Party (known as PKK), the Maoist rebel force that for more than a decade has been fighting Turkey."

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Both PJAK and PKK are Maoist and have same roots (but are separate organisatios). DO NOT remove proper citations because of your POV. Even PJAK and PKK literature state these things. Khorshid 09:24, 23 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"PKK is Maoist" Wrong! "PJAK is Maoist" Wrong, again! PKK used to consider the Soviet Union as a socialist country until its collapse. This is the bigotish reporter stance that considers all Marxist organisations that wage "people's war" as Maoist. This is somewhat akin with the common American attitude that deems everything left-wing as "communist". PKK never defined itself as Maoist nor expressed a sympathy for China. There is a whole PKK (and also PJAK) literature if you care to look at. The Maoist Kurdish organisations in Turkey was Kawa and then Dengê Kawa to which PKK has maintained no links. Please care to make a more thorough research before you involve in an argument. See also: International Conference of Marxist-Leninist Parties and Organizations (International Newsletter) and Revolutionary Internationalist Movement Ciao! --Behemoth 19:38, 23 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That is your POV. This reporter lived with PJAK for some time in the mountains and spoke to their leaders. He is sympathetic to them. And the article meets WP:V. The burden is on you my friend. Allez ciao! Khorshid 18:16, 3 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

is what kucinich has not done an NPOV fact

Someone put the sentence:

However, Mr. Kucinich has not offered evidence to support his opinions.

This might be true, but for anyone to verify this, s/he would have to search Kucinich's entire record of public statements. Since he is a member of the US parliament, i.e. a politician successful enough to be elected, analysing the complete body of his public statements (parliamentary speeches, interviews in the media, other public speeches, statements made in committees and so on which later are published, online or offline, texts that he has written, offline and online, etc.) would constitute the task of a dedicated researcher carrying out a lot of work. Even sifting through his online statements alone would require someone to spend a good deal of time studying Kucinich in order to be sure that he has not provided evidence for his claims.

There could be someone, e.g. in a Political Science department in a university who finds Kucinich to be a sufficiently important person for carrying out this research. If this (or something similar) is the case, then please give us the citation.

Alternatively, it could be possible that someone notable (let's say John Smith, with no offence intended to real John Smiths...) has claimed that Kucinich did not offer evidence to support his opinions. If that's the case, then please give the citation and we'll NPOV the sentence to reflect this, also removing the weasel word "However" i.e.

[[John Smith]] expressed doubt about Kucinich's claims, stating that Mr. Kucinich did not offer evidence to support his opinions.<ref>...</ref> Boud 23:47, 2 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Moved passage concerning alleged ties with PKK

Please find reliable sources before inserting this passage again, in accordance with WP:VERIFIABILITY. Thanks.

PJAK allegedly cooperates with the PKK and is accused of being the "Iran branch" of the PKK ‹The template Talkfact is being considered for merging.› ^{[citation needed]}.

Relation to PKK
PJAK is closely linked to the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK), which is listed as a Foreign Terrorist Organization in the United States and as a terrorist organisation by the European Union [ref: note that this ref does not support the alleged tie with PKK, or I missed something, and it should clearly states where it is to be found: Council Common Position 2004/500/CESP of 17 May 2004, Council of the European Union, Official Journal of the European Union, May 17, 2004

Tazmaniacs 17:20, 22 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 1

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The correct translation of the Kurdish title of this party is Party of Free Life of Kurdistan. This is used widely by the media [2],[3],[4]. The current English title of the page (Party for a Free Life in Kurdistan) becomes something like Partî ji bo Jiyaneke Azad li Kurdistanê in Kurdish which is different than the actual name of the party Partiya Jiyana Azada Kurdistanê. Note that in Kurdish li --> in, ji bo --> for and a/ê --> of (a for feminine names and ê for masculine). All of the words in the Kurdish phrase are feminine, hence we get Jiyana (Life of), Partiya (Party of), etc.Heja Helweda 14:33, 14 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In situations like this we use the google count rule. Which ever version is used most on the web si the name we use. I would also like to remind that translation between languages is almost never entirely accurate. -- Cat ^chi? 14:45, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

The google count also backs my assertion. Party of Free Life of Kurdistan (2,880), and Party for a Free Life in Kurdistan (1,1170).Heja Helweda 14:51, 14 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'd regard that statistic, and the linguistic analysis above, as both supporting the current title Party for a Free Life in Kurdistan. The current title sounds like a good translation to English, while the proposed title Party of Free Life of Kurdistan is overly literal. The fact that the good translation has almost half as many hits as the literal one shows that there is a translation that is both dynamic and widespread. Andrewa 05:53, 15 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it be moved. --Stemonitis 19:06, 27 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Move

I suggest that this article be moved to PJAK, rather than be kept at its full name. Wiki rules state that the most common identification for something/person/group be used as the title of the article describing it. PJAK is far more widely used. I raised this issue for PKK before, but I couldn't follow it through. I was thinking of filing a request for move, but would like to hear the opinion of other contributors as well for a prelimenary debate. Baristarim 05:08, 4 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion of texts and links

I can't find an explanation here or in the edit history for the removal of the following:

"PJAK receives funding and training from the US http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/2008/080417-pjak-funding.htm"

"PJAK is close to the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK, also called KADEK, Kongra-Gel and KGK), which is described as a Foreign Terrorist Organization by the United States State Department."

Anyone able to shed any light? Lapsed Pacifist (talk) 13:56, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 2

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The result of the proposal was PAGE MOVED per discussion below. -GTBacchus^(talk) 00:29, 8 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Party for a Free Life in Kurdistan → PJAK — 429,000 results in google for "PJAK", as compared to 5,550 results for the current title. — Wayiran (talk) 13:13, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Survey

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Support: As stated above there are 430,000 results for "PJAK" in google [5] as there are only 5,550 results[6] for "Party for a Free Life in Kurdistan". --Wayiran (talk) 13:17, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

Any additional comments:

Is there other evidence of predominant usage of the acronym to the pointed of overriding WP:ACRONYM ("Acronyms should be used in page naming if the subject is almost exclusively known only by its acronym and is widely known and used in that form (e.g., NASA and radar).")? For example, Wikipedia uses Kurdistan Workers' Party, not PKK.—Preceding unsigned comment added by AjaxSmack (talk • contribs) 03:28, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Other than a ratio of 78:1? Well we can check Google news[7][8](111:1), Google books (628:7) and Google scholar (345:13). I am not sure it is "almost exclusively known only" by its acronym, but it is pretty close. 199.125.109.135 (talk) 16:00, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Name

The name of the party is currently written in three different ways: the article title is "Party for a Free Life in Kurdistan", the lead starts with "Party of Free Life of Kurdistan", and the infobox title is "Party for Free Life in Kurdistan". Which one is the correct/official/preferred/most common one? The article should probably be consistent in the use of the name. Jafeluv (talk) 20:04, 7 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The name used by notable western media such as Time, BBC, etc. is Party of Free Life of Kurdistan. PJAK's website uses the title Free Life Party of Kurdistan. A third title Party for a Free Life in Kurdistan is also used (mainly by Turkish and Iranian sources), although this is not a correct translation of the original Kurdish name.Heja Helweda (talk) 04:17, 9 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

pjak and pkk are not terorists

we should add thsi info:pjak warned iran regime to hold execute of Habibollah Latifi .pjak warned iran regime and then iran halted he execution

== U.S biased article

Why major offensive in the section "Armed conflicts and attacks" is put in "s? I removed them, and I will put article neutral point disputed tag if they are mount once again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.247.220.195 (talk) 11:43, 2 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

here source: http://www.firatnews.com/index.php?rupel=nuce&nuceID=37983 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.182.41.176 (talk) 16:43, 26 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

While the PKK has been (incorrectly in some views) designated as a terrorist organization and is currently on for example the corresponding lists of the USA as well as the EU, the PJAK is currently NOT on those lists.
The lists change and the article must reflect the current state of the matter, not how it was classified a decade ago.
Unless someone can find a current list from an entity with authority to make such a declaration, the article should not classify organizations as "terrorist" as they would fall under other classifications (resistance, separatist, liberation, militia, et cetera) unless this is the case.
Removing references to outdated "terrorist" citations.
85.225.85.245 (talk) 12:05, 5 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Feminism ?

Can some one give a reference that PJAK is Feminist --Kumanhan (talk) 20:31, 1 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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From Iran–PJAK conflict: Elik, Suleyman. Iran–Turkey Relations, 1979–2011: Conceptualising the Dynamics of Politics, Religion and Security in Middle-Power States. Routledge. 2013. pp. 91–92.
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