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The atsumori story is a fictional tale written by Taira clan historians, Naozane did not become a monk until he renounced his gokenin status in court over a land dispute.

He was also not a retainer, but a honored warrior not of noble birth. Ther finally should be mention of the Amida sect of buddhism he took part in.

Generally this article is terribly misleading and false

156.143.50.186 01:37, 15 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I totally agree. Kumagai's life after Ichi-no-tani is as important as his life during the battle. I will try to expand that soon. --Ph0kin (talk) 17:16, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Merge

I have done what I can to merge the two articles. There is likely a lot more to be said here, particularly on extricating fact from fiction. Ideally, the article should be split into two sections, telling of the historical Kumagai's life in one section and his depiction in legend, in monogatari, and in theatre and literature in the other. If there is any truth to the anonymous statement above, that Kumagai was not a retainer, not of noble birth, that he was involved in a land dispute, etc, this should all be explored, examined, and described. I unfortunately do not really have access to much resources right now, but if anyone else can do it, it would be wonderful. If I come across anything, I shall be sure to add it here. Thanks. LordAmeth 00:26, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]