Talk:Kris Kuksi

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Sourcing

One of the main sources of the article in its current state is Spider Pie.^[1] I only have access to the online text, which is not complete, but I'm wondering if the text as shown was written by the artist or his representative, as he is the cover artist for the work and the text is headed "About the Artists". In this case it wouldn't be a reliable source for more than basic details about him. Tacyarg (talk) 18:26, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

^ Sturgill, A. (2005). Spider Pie. Raw Dog Screaming Press. p. 3. ISBN 978-1-933293-05-9. Retrieved 3 Oct 2022.

Kris Kuksi wrote that piece in that section of the book. Sbarber2nd (talk) 19:42, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

One major missing source are his books he's written from Rizzoli. I used to have a copy but maybe I should order another because this page is majorly lacking in his details. They have a great biography sections in there and would really add a lot to the page. I also added his wife and kids but I can't do his social media as a source and I feel bad not including them. She's literally his muse and inspired a ton of pieces, most recently Agatha (2020) and Venus and Adonis (2021). Sbarber2nd (talk) 19:46, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sbarber2nd, I'm afraid I've removed your additions, as they were sourced to his own website, which can't possibly be regarded as an independent reliable source. Tacyarg, this page was written by a paid editor back when paid editing in article space was not so actively discouraged. I had a go at some tidy-up a few years ago, but it's still very poor – I don't even know if this person is actually notable by our standards. Anything you can do to make it less like a paean of praise and more like an encyclopaedia article would be most welcome. Thanks, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 20:34, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Tacyarg, based on the input from Sbarber2nd (thank you!), I've removed the screaming dog (or is it spider?) source and the associated content. I'm having difficulty seeing how this person could possibly be notable by our standards. Where's the list of his museum-level exhibitions; which major institutions hold examples of his work? (and please don't say "the Ellis County Bar Association, of course"!). Thoughts? Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 21:13, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, both. The article is a lot less promotional in tone now. I agree he doesn't meet WP:NARTIST but the consensus in the previous deletion discussion seemed to be that he met WP:GNG based on coverage in the Huffington Post, the Wall Street Journal and the Los Angeles Times. I tend to agree with that - what do you think? Tacyarg (talk) 22:40, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There's a ton of stuff directly from the website. https://www.kuksi.com/cv but another thing we should add of importance is his Marines work for the 20180or 2019 promos, I can't remember the exact date and they have a permanent collection of his work and the Black Sails stuff. I mean, they were nominated for an Emmy. It's just getting the articles.

He literally has work owned by a ton of celebrities. He's definitely "notable." Sbarber2nd (talk) 22:49, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think having work owned by celebrities is notable. Winning an Emmy would be, but not sure about being nominated. Have you had a look at WP:NARTIST? Tacyarg (talk) 00:01, 4 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I think he would be since he pioneered this neo-baroque assemblage art. He has a patent for the Church tank design. His work is in the Smithsonian, Nike, Marine Corp museum, and celebrities like Guillermo del Toro, Mark Parker, Steve Aoki, Usher, Chris Hardwick and his wife Lydia Hearst (the Hearst heiress), the late Robin Williams and Kobe Bryant, all have his work. That's just a few that come to mind. I know he's not like front page WSJ news but his work is definitely just not for everyone.

It's been a while since I've done wikipedia stuff, but can we cite from his books or is that that conflict of interest for here?

He's also been a featured artist several times in big art magazines like HiFructose, Juxtapoz, but I just have to find which ones. Sbarber2nd (talk) 00:26, 4 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

[Sturgill_2005_p._3-1] Sturgill, A. (2005). Spider Pie. Raw Dog Screaming Press. p. 3. ISBN 978-1-933293-05-9. Retrieved 3 Oct 2022.

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