Talk:Kosmos 1408/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: CactiStaccingCrane (talk · contribs) 10:22, 13 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, here we go! CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 10:22, 13 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@CactiStaccingCrane: Many thanks for the review! I'll try to start tackling these points later this week. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 20:25, 14 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Source review

Numbers based on Special:Diff/1060061284:

Reference 1, 2, 7, 9, 24 is certainly not reliable, as these are published without any editoral oversight. See the policy for more details
Suggestion: Consider mining sources available at hand.
Many references do not have author information.

Content review

Lede: Good! no major complaint there.
Mission: Cannot complain, as the USSR is highly secretive at their missions. However, I have some complaint at formatting:
- were unable to convince sounds like someone can read their minds. Consider rephrasing to could not convince.
- a single preferred option is redundant. an option is better.
- all capabilities being combined to all satellites combined
- The ELINT payloads for Tselina were first tested under the Kosmos designation in 1962 to 1965. is very, very vague in my opinion. What is the payload? What is Kosmos designation? Is it from 1962 to 1965, or just the years 1962 and 1965?
- The Soviet Ministry of Defence were unable to convince the military sounds like the department cannot convince itself to an onlooker
- Continued improvements in the payload. Again, what payload? Is it the satellite? Or, is it something else?
- Tselina-O for broad observations and Tselina-D for detailed observations What aspect is it? Is it angular resolution or field of view?
Spacecraft: There are some issues at editorializing at this section. Consider adding alternative text to the image for the blind or low-bandwidth readers to understand what's going on.
- Kosmos-1408 was part of the Tselina-D system. to Kosmos-1408 was a part of the Tselina-D constellation.
- It had a mass of around 1,750 kg (3,860 lb), and a radius of around 2.5 m (8 ft 2 in). to The satellite weighed 1,750 kg (3,860 lb) with 2.5 m (8 ft 2 in) radius at the body.
- Kosmos-1408 was launched on a Tsyklon-3 launch vehicle on 16 September 1982, from Site 32/2, at the Plesetsk Cosmodrome. The paragraph is decent, but I suggest to get rid of "launch vehicle" linking because it is redundant. See WP:Linking if you want to find more about this.
- but probably operated for around two years, after which it became inactive is quite excess. In my opinion, the trimmed paragraph but it has operated for around two years is way better.
- It did not have a propulsion system, so could not be deliberately de-orbited at the end of service. This sentence, like some others in the article, is missing a complete clause. A clause in English can be thought of as a full sentence, and generally, when use linking words such as "and", "but", "so", it links two complete clause together. In this case, It did not have a propulsion system is perfect, but could not be deliberately de-orbited at the end of service. is not optimal. Rewrite the clause to the satellite could not de-orbit itself at the end of service.
- The orbit was slowly decaying to Its orbit slowly decayed

That's it for now! Ping me ( {{ping|CactiStaccingCrane}} ) if you have any questions! CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 10:51, 13 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Response

@CactiStaccingCrane: Thanks again for the review! Sorry for the delay in replying, it's been a busy week. I've implemented most changes based on your review, but there are some I haven't implemented. Here are the reasons why I haven't implemented them:

Tselina-O for broad observations and Tselina-D for detailed observations What aspect is it? Is it angular resolution or field of view?

I don't know. References are ambiguous, and I can't find a good source that would let me clarify this in the article.

Kosmos-1408 was part of the Tselina-D system. to Kosmos-1408 was a part of the Tselina-D constellation.

'system' seems to be preferred to 'constellation', and is used consistently in the article. In general, "constellation" refers to astronomy constellations, while 'system' is more relevant for these technical systems.

It had a mass of around 1,750 kg (3,860 lb), and a radius of around 2.5 m (8 ft 2 in). to The satellite weighed 1,750 kg (3,860 lb) with 2.5 m (8 ft 2 in) radius at the body.

Weight relies on gravity, mass is independent of that. I don't understand what you mean by 'at the body'.

Reference 1, 2, 7, 9, 24 is certainly not reliable, as these are published without any editoral oversight. See the policy for more details

I've double-checked these references, but I think that they are reliable. 1 & 2 are to pages published by Jonathan McDowell. 7 and 24 are by LeoLabs, I'll start an article on them soon, again they seem reliable though. Less sure about 9, I'll look into this more. In general they seem OK, and 'editorial oversight' as described that policy seems to refer to sponsored sources, which really doesn't apply here.

On mining sources: I've tried to do this, will double-check it soon. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 20:08, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for clarifying to me! I will review everything later though, since I am pretty busy both at Wiki and in real life. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 02:25, 18 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@CactiStaccingCrane: Just a reminder about this for when you have the time. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 18:25, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, I gonna skim through the article again and see what needs to be fixed. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 01:33, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sum up

From Wikipedia:Good article criteria:

1a: No complaint here, stuff can be fixed but it has vastly improved since the start of the review, pass.
1b: Lede ok, layout is acceptable, no word-to-watch is found. Pass.
2a: Obvious pass
2b: Verifiable, pass
2c: Spot-checked, no original research is found
2d: Checking, no copyvio is found
3a: Article does not "drift" to other topic, pass
3b: Good enough, summarized the situation
4: Pass
5: Obvious pass
6a: Tagged, pass
6b: Pass

Well, then, congrats! That's a good read. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 01:49, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

To make sure that this is not rubberstamped, look above. The incident is pretty obscure in technical details, so the article is what would I've expected. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 01:53, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]