Talk:Kory Stamper

Notability

Kory Stamper is one of the most recognisable faces, if not the most recognisable face of Merriam-Webster's online presence, both on the Merriem Webstet website and the Youtube channel.

This video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFyY2mK8pxk has over 240,000 views, and the MerriamWebsterOnline Channel (http://www.youtube.com/user/MerriamWebsterOnline) has 472,000+ views, approximately 1/3 of which are videos with Kory.

If I understand correctly Merriam-Webster is the standard and authoritive text for American English, similar to the Oxford English Dictionary for British English.

Surely one of the main public faces of such a dictionary/company is notable. Not to mention the fact that she is an editor of said tome.

If Kory is not notable, then neither is the publc face of say McDonalds - would you have us remove Ronald McDonald's entry? After all both are the public face of their market leading companies and products.

But if it helps you get your edit count up so you can get your next merit badge, then delete the article. Have a time. Jtan163 (talk)

The thing is, notability needs to be shown with secondary, reliable sources. That has not - thus far - been done for this subject. That is what is being requested with the notability tag. LadyofShalott 16:10, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

So how are for example these two entries more notable: Natalia_Shvedova, Kira_Hall or Misty_Massey?

Kira Hall's entry has her own home page and a University of Colorado course description page, citing her - as a contact for the course as the sole refernces.

Why is Kira sufficiently notable?

Similarly Natalia's entry has a single russian bio on an insitution page - how does that meet notability? Jtan163 (talk)

Quoting the notability guidelines:

If an article fails to cite sufficient sources to demonstrate the notability of its subject, look for sources yourself, or

Ask the articles creator or an expert on the subject[6] for advice on where to look for sources. Place a notabiity tag on the article to alert other editors. If the article is about a specialized field, use the expert-subject tag with a specific WikiProject to attract editors knowledgeable about that field, who may have access to reliable sources not available online. If appropriate sources cannot be found after a good-faith search for them, consider merging the article's verifiable content into a broader article providing context.[7]

I trust you'll make a good faith search for suitable sources before you delete or merge, if my sources don't suit? As per the notability policy. Jtan163 (talk)

Here's a link to an article she wrote for "Brain, Child" magazine. http://www.brainchildmag.com/essays/fall2007_stamper.asp. This page indicates she's also been published in "Mother Tongue: An Anthology." I'm sure she's done other noteworthy things as well if being an editor for a major dictionary isn't noteworthy enough for Wikipedia. If she's not notable then neither are about 90% of the people with articles in Wikipedia. 70.72.83.190 (talk) 09:43, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

@LadyOfShallot: Again how is Kory less notable or worse referenced than Misty_Massey? The references for that page, consist of her website, articles by her, a review of a book she has contributed to, but apart from listing her as an contributor, nothing specific about her. She isn;t even a full time author, shes is, according to the article a middle school librarian. If that article that you contributed is acceptably referenced and Missy is sufficiently notable why isn't Kory, an editor who is routinely referenced in published works, presents videos for a major corporation and is a member of the team that defines standard Amercian English? Or is notability no longer the issue? Is the issue now references? Again the references are at least as good as those provided for the Misty_Massey article that you contributed. I would very much appreciate the reason why you propose to hold this article to a standard higher than that across much of the wikipedia and in particular some of your own articles? I'd appreciate replies to my questions - you've taken the time to come back and undertake trivial changes etc why not take the time to engage in a good faith discussion as per the deletion guidelines.Jtan163 (talk)

With regards to notability http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:BIO#Creative_professionals would appear to apply

• 1) The person is regarded as an important figure or is widely cited by peers or successors. - Kory is cited by professional journalists - see Chicago Tribune references.
• 3) The person has created, or played a major role in co-creating, a significant or well-known work, or collective body of work, that has been the subject of an independent book or feature-length film, or of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews. - Kory is an Editor at Merriam-Webster the standard text for American English. The Merriam-Webster dictionaries is a significant and well known work. In addition to being an editor, she is also one of the public faces of the company and dictionary.Jtan163 (talk)

References

Some of the references, such as those from the Chicago Tribune may not be about Kory, but they are from a source that is generally accepted as authoritative (a newspaper) and they do confirm her eminence in her field.

For example this link http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-02-08/features/ct-tribu-words-work-love-20120208_1_love-definition-ww which is referenced, is not about Kory, but as per http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability#What_counts_as_a_reliable_source it does directly support the material presented in an article and should be appropriate to the claims made. E.g. I claim that Kory is an Editor at Merriam Webster. This article from a main stream newspaper confirms this with the sentence "'Love' is almost always in the top 20," says Kory Stamper, associate editor at Merriam Webster. . That sentence directly supports my assertion that Kory is a Merriam Webster Editor, you don't need to make any inferences, you don;t need to speculate, the sentence directrly supports my assertion.Jtan163 (talk)

Objection to Deletion

I've removed the proposals for deletion template as I believe the subject is sufficiently notable and that the refs are as good as or better than many, perhaps most wikipedia article's references, including those given as examples above.Jtan163 (talk)

No, the refs are not good enough because they have to be about her. Non of them are not about her. Do not judge this article against any other as every article is unique. The articles you are judging against are people who wrote books, so there is a different standard. Also, there are articles on Wikipedia that should be deleted, were created at different time when there were different standards or have references, but are not in the article. Stamper is one of hundreds of editors dealing with Webster dictionary, not the editor. You can argue points on why she should stay, but irregardless of them being valid or not, get refs that are about her or run the probable risk of the article being deleted. If you have the refs that are about her, the article won't be deleted. Bgwhite (talk) 20:47, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

I would like to point out that I have at no point proposed deletion for this article. Adding a notability tag expresses a concern that the subject may not meet our requirements; that is not the same thing as a proposal for deletion. I'll not entertain any questions of the WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS sort except to say that if you have concerns about other articles (including any I wrote or contributed to) take those concerns up on the relevant pages, not here. LadyofShalott 01:56, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

Lady, I did do a Prod, so the proposed deletion was directed towards what I did. Bgwhite (talk) 04:38, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

Hey BG, I know you did, but we both got blamed (so to speak). See this correction I made to the template at the top of the page. LadyofShalott 15:32, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

You have to be kidding, delete this article of Kory is crazy, better than, delete the account of Bgwhite, and guala, end of the problem! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.248.52.50 (talk) 23:49, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

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Knitting

Kory's also famous for her knitting. I think it should be mentioned somewhere (an old blog post by her [1] is even used as reference on the Double knitting article). Jalwikip (talk) 16:34, 27 January 2017 (UTC)