Talk:Korean New Year

To be added

To be added to article: the standard greeting for seollal is 새해복많이받으세요— Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.79.118.216 (talk) 16:39, 18 February 2007 (UTC) Chinese Lunisolar calender is the calender chinese use for our daily life, and use for agriculture purpose. 24 solar term was base on Nanjing to set the date. Chinese New year never limited only chinese celebrated it means Chinese Calender NEW YEAR, but whole world can use. The most popular NEW YEAR Celebrate cross the world, the type of Chinese New Year element it is from china, so to respect the culture and right it should named as Chinese New Year not KNY or LNY.

if Korean want they're own, no one stop them or limitted them, but please use your lucky color White and your style of Lion not China one. Same with the white evelop not RED. Also stop use chinese worlds represent your culture as well.

Btw, just for your korean reference, Lurnar calender 2024 New year falls on July. So why you celeberate with chinese together on 10th of Feb. For you, only celebrate 1st day of you so called "KNY", but we do total different, we celebrate over 15days plus CNY eve. Prepration start 10days early CNY. So do not copy and says it is from Korea. Full stop — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pan4au (talk • contribs) 01:07, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

Related New Years

If Korean New Year is related to Chinese New Year because of using similar calendars, other new years using similar calendars should also be related.

And please provide evidence for this claim: Chinese New Year is the common Lunar New Year in all East Asian countries but only different in the national names

Korean New Year and Chinese New Year share little in common except for using similar calendars. VeryGoodBoy (talk) 22:39, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

NO SOURCE PROVING THE KOREAN LUNISOLAR IS DERIVED FROM THE CHINESE ONE!!!! 99.192.96.72 (talk) 05:09, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

Maybe you should change your name to VeryNationalistBoy125.238.23.133 (talk) 00:13, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

I wonder if this is an entry about how the Lunar New Year is celebrated in Korea and not about a completely different system of counting years that is specific to Korea. I understand from this page that this is based on the "Korean Calendar" which was based on the Chinese Calendar, but with dates calculated from Korea's meridian. Both pages are quite poorly referenced - perhaps someone in Korea could do a little research and add some references to clarify this? Also, what specifically would the differences be between the dates of Lunar New Year (commonly referred to as the Chinese New Year), and Korean New Year?—Preceding unsigned comment added by Ogryzek (talk • contribs) 02:58, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

The difference is one hour. If New Moon falls between 23:00 and 24:00 in China (i.e. between 00:00 and 01:00 in Korea), then New Moon, hence Day 1 of the lunar month, falls on different dates between the two cultures. So for any specific month, it happens on average once every 24 years. HkCaGu (talk) 15:44, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Haha, Our little Korean friends are crying again! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.71.141.138 (talk) 02:49, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Haha, no evidence, the Koreans are 100% correct! 99.192.96.72 (talk) 10:08, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

Ancient Koreans invented Chinese Calendar six thousand years ago. So there is no such a thing called 'Chinese new year'. Only Korean new year is the legitimate name for this holiday. They are shameless liars and don't want to give proper credit to others. Shame on them! you should shame on your self. Koreans invented Chinese calendar, how!!!!!!!! prov with evidence, EMPTY WORD CAN NOT CHANGE THE TRUTH!!!!!SO RIDICULOURS THIS NATION!!!1111 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.5.56.67 (talk) 10:28, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Koreans celebrate Christmas. Therefore Christmas is a Korean holiday. So the right name for Christmas should be called Korean Christmas, per se. We should let the world know the fact! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.5.56.67 (talk) 22:49, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Seolla marks the beginning of a new year on the traditional Chinese Lunar calendar.[1]There's seems to be that annual discomfort in acknowledging that Korean new year originated in China. Perhaps there's a few Koreans who believes that Korean calendar is created in Korea and not in China. Except that's just not true. I don't know what they teach in Korea but the Lunisolar calendar (in the form it is observed today in Asia), as well as the tradition of celebrating the Lunar New Year, originated in China. I can see from one editor there suggested there was already much discussion on this before. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1149473116 Regardless Seolla marks the beginning of a new year on the traditional Chinese Lunar calendar.[2] If you are going to claim that Korean calender isn't derived from Chinese traditional Lunisolar calendar, then give sources to prove it. But stop reverting without giving a source. 49.179.78.50 (talk) 11:25, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

While the Korean calendar is based off the Chinese, this neither indicates that the festival itself celebrates the Chinese calendar instead of Korean [3][4] nor it is exclusively and culturally a Chinese celebration. The festival indeed has distinct Korean cultural and historical elements [5]. This already has been explained within the article. I also see that various single-use IP accounts, in which numerous of them are reported to be proxies according to this website [6], has been pushing the same change over the past two days. ImaSandwich860 (talk) 21:12, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

Pronunciation of Seollal

The Korean characters make it plain that this is pronounced sol-nal, not sol-lal, so why is it transliterated this way? Calydon (talk) 23:34, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

"Seollal" is the correct way to Romanize and pronounce "설날" because of special consonant combination rules - in this case, "ㄹ" followed by "ㄴ" converts "ㄴ" into the "ㄹ" sound. This can be confirmed by any native Korean speaker. (I hope there is not someone going around and incorrectly updating lots of Wikipedia articles with incorrect Romanizations) 121.138.91.41 (talk) 08:52, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

By simply listening to the word, you can tell it is pronounced with an "n" sound not an "l" sound as any English speaker can confirm. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.80.171.162 (talk) 00:06, 8 February 2012 (UTC) http://www.forvo.com/word/%EC%84%A4%EB%82%A0/180.80.171.162 (talk) 00:15, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Google translate says otherwise. HkCaGu (talk) 18:21, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Not sure about what you pulled from forvo.com, but I lived in 동래구 (in Busan, ROK) for a year, and can assure you it's not pronounced dong-rae-gu. I celebrated 설날 with co-workers, and it's absolutely pronounced seol-lal by native Korean speakers. While not a native speaker, I'm pretty good with Korean, and 121.138.91.41's explanation is correct. I'm reverting the edit. 75.75.100.149 (talk) 22:30, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Actually, can someone put the IPA character pronunciation? That'd be awesome. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.75.100.149 (talk) 22:31, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Naver Dictionary (http://dic.naver.com/search.nhn?query=설날) and Daum Dictionary (http://dic.daum.net/search.do?q=설날) both indicate that the pronunciation is "[설ː랄]", i.e. "seollal". Naver and Daum are the top 2 web portals of Korea. 2602:30A:2C81:52C0:FCF5:50FE:D68:8476 (talk) 07:20, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

Dates OK?

Someone with knowledge of the Korean calendar should check the dates on the right-side strip. Stone-turner (talk) 11:56, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

"Korean New Year typically falls on the same day as Chinese New Year."

What does "typically" mean? Are there atypical years where the two dates don't coincide? --129.206.220.174 (talk) 12:09, 4 February 2019 (UTC) Korean, THEY STEAL CHINESE CALENDAR AND CLAIM IT IS THEIRS. Shameless！！！！ — Preceding unsigned comment added by KOREAN20 (talk • contribs) 20:49, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

hanbok

(disclaimer: not Korean, never been to Korea) How common is the hanbok at Korean New Year gatherings, nowadays?

This NPR story gives the impression that it's becoming less common: https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2015/02/19/387567486/korean-tailors-try-to-keep-the-lunar-new-year-hanbok-ritual-alive

Currently there's a line in this wiki under 'Customs' that alludes to this:

"However, with modernization and evolving mores in the culture, more people tend to prefer westernized, modern clothing to the hanbok."

This claim is currently uncited (perhaps the above NPR article would be suitable) and, if true, should it be more prominent on the page?

Also, the first paragraph of this page gives the impression wearing hanbok is still a common tradition. If it's a fading tradition (compared to ancestrial rites, traditional games and food), perhaps a separate sentence here could explain how commonplace it was in the past versus today.

Yes, saying "many Koreans... wear hanbok" might be technically correct even if it's a minority of people.

The aforementioned NPR story mentions that family members would get new hanbok each year. If people are buying new, modern clothes each year instead (as is commonly done in Hong Kong to observe the New Year, from my experience), then I think this could be better expressed. Unless I'm mistaken, currently the article doesn't mention that new clothes are purchased each year (hanbok or otherwise).

Perhaps people only have one hanbok, but they wear the same one each year?

In short, I think an extra sentence or two of elaboration might be fitting without digressing.

CousinJojo (talk) 04:37, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 February 2021

KOREAN20 (talk) 20:41, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

This is not true. so/called "Korean New Year" is not based on Chinese calendar, it is the Chinese calender. They steal it and rename to them own. so disgusting! And they start to celebrate it in 1999 not 1989. all of these are fake history, that is the reason they locked it.

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 13:26, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Korean New Year is not the same as Chinese New Year

Many Asian countries use Lunisolar Calendar and celebrate Lunar New Year. It's believed that Korean calendar is derived from Chinese Calendar, but Korean New Year is NOT EXACTLY SAME as Chinese New Year. If Korean calendar were exactly same as Chinese calendar, there would haven't been reason for Chiljeongsan, the book about Calendar adjusted to latitude of Korea, to be published.

Old Chinese documents just explained that "The date of Korean New Years corresponds to December in Chinese Calendar", not "Date of Korean New Year is based on Chinese Calendar". And the custom of Korean New Year is VERY different from that of China. We don't recieve money in red envelope, We don't paste the paper that '福' is written. We don't have fireworks. But we eat Tteokguk, receive money in white envelope, and play Yunnori.

And about Asian Zodiac, Korean 12 zodiac is almost same as Chinese Zodiac. But 未, the 8th zodiac, in Korea is slightly different from China. In Greater China, both Sheep and Goat symbolize 8th Zodiac, but In Korea, the symbolic animal of 8th Zodiac is certainly Sheep, NOT a goat. This is same as Japan.

Korean and Chinese culture look similar, but they are quite different. Do not judge that Korean culture is subculture of Chinese culture. Although it's true that some elements of Korean culture are imported from China, since they have been localized for hundreds and thousands of years, the elements that can't be found in China appears in a lot of Korean culture. For example, Chopsticks of Korea are made of metal, and it's always used with spoons. That can't be found in China. Due to historical and geographical reasons, culture of East Asia is forming cultural sphere, and share a lot of elements. But atmosphere of cultures of each country are very different one another. So Korean New Year can't be said to be same with Chinese New Year. Kenneth Goh (talk) 15:20, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

misleading figures in the document

I found two figures in this document misleading.

The picture of Myeong-dong (명동) does not represent Korea during Seollal. It is a famous tourist destination, especially for Chinese people. Consequently, the local business caters to such tourists, placing banners both in Chinese and Korean. Typical Korean neighborhoods (except for a few Chinatowns) do not accommodate Chinese speakers.

The picture of people trying to purchase a ticket at Seoul station is from the 1970s when Korea was much poorer than it is now. No one lines up at the station to get a ticket in 2024.

I deleted the above two figures and hope this is acceptable to active contributors on Wikipedia. 140.112.177.67 (talk) 10:18, 8 January 2024 (UTC)