Talk:Komtar

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Serious rewriting.

We need rewriting, a reposition of the sections, and integrate the chronology (the table) into the main article. KOMTAR is itself a complex, not the skyscraper, so simply referring KOMTAR as the KOMTAR Tower for its main headline is not suitable. I'll be trying to see what could I do, possibly a rewrite in the future.

We need images for the skyscraper though, the old ones are outdated, and the current image does not put a lot of focus on the building (the fireworks acts as a distraction).

(PenangLion (talk) 14:50, 7 October 2021 (UTC))

UPDATE: User:PenangLion/sandbox IN THE SANDBOX CONTAINS A DRAFT FOR A POSSIBLE REVAMP OF THE PAGE (PenangLion (talk) 09:15, 8 October 2021 (UTC))

Update (2): I am ranking this page as a High-importance article for WikiSkyscrapers.

Reasons are as such:

• - Tallest skyscraper in Malaysia (1985-1987);
• - First skyscraper in Malaysia to surpass 200 m (660 ft);
• - Cultural icon of Penang;
• - Was among the tallest buildings outside the Western Hemisphere (2nd in 1985-1986, 3rd in 1986-1987);
• - Important statement of Modernism in Malaysian architecture (Asian architecture would probably be an overstatement);
• - First urban complex in Penang;
• - Last project related to Buckminster Fuller in Southeast Asia.

If you have any concerns, please do reply to me, then we can make a change again.
(PenangLion (talk) 16:39, 8 October 2021 (UTC))

After two and a half years I finished the article. Cheers, gavre (al. PenangLion) (talk) 05:16, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

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GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Komtar/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: PenangLion (talk · contribs) 04:38, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: Praseodymium-141 (talk · contribs) 15:12, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Hey there! I'll be reviewing this article. ¹⁴¹Pr -_\contribs/- 15:12, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable, as shown by a source spot-check.

   a (reference section): b (inline citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.: - Article seems to be stable, I don't see anything wrong with it.

6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

Initial comments

Article looks good at a glance, I'll have a closer review in a bit. ¹⁴¹Pr -_\contribs/- 15:18, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Hey...are there any further comments for this review? gavre (al. PenangLion) (talk) 14:47, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello @Praseodymium-141, I will be closing this review as you have not made any comments for over three weeks. I will be handing the process over to another editor who is interested in reviewing the article. Cheers, gavre (al. PenangLion) (talk) 04:08, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

• There is some sandwiching going on in the construction section - there are just a lot of images in general. Consider removing some or grouping them together.

GA Review

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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This review is transcluded from Talk:Komtar/GA2. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: PenangLion (talk · contribs) 04:38, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: Rollinginhisgrave (talk · contribs) 04:50, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

I'll review this article. Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 04:50, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

General comments

I'll be adding comments throughout. Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 05:23, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Will continue the review when issues are addressed. If you have any issues with them or questions please ask. Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 05:46, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Not a question, but more of a comment. This article contains a subject that was very hard to tackle on for anyone attempting it due to the ridiculously meagre amount of existing information for research. The prose is comparably worse than what I write now (since I wrote the majority of the article between 2020-2022); the sourcing, though packed is at least 90 percent of all online material available about this subject (some actual information I did on physical research, such as the original wordmark and logo for the building, was not included as no sources, neither online or print are available). I don't mind taking a considerably longer time to fix the article, but I don't want to submit this article for general prose reviews because it's pretty pointless. I hope you don't regret picking up this article, it is a landmine. Cheers, gavre (al. PenangLion) (talk) 16:19, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Taking more time than usual is okay. The standard is a "reasonable time", do you think you this will be possible? Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 23:03, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Of course. I don't mind any circumstances. gavre (al. PenangLion) (talk) 02:35, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

Okay, ping me when you finish the copyedit and I'll review. Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 03:04, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi PenangLion, I've been seeing you making some changes to the page, largely on the sourcing formatting. How do you feel about how you would go completing the changes over the next few weeks? Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 03:08, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

Hey. I'm in the process of copyediting the contents, of which I'm expecting it to be complete by the end of this week or two. Currently I'm removing redundant statements and some section changes...as well as creating specialised diagrams based on schematics I've collected throughout the months. gavre (al. PenangLion) (talk) 07:03, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

Hey, I'm going to take this out of the queue. Take your time with getting through it, it's a lot of work. Don't worry about a long wait at GAN; I'll make sure it gets picked up within a week of you renominating it. Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 07:41, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Prose and content

Lead

• Introduce Komtar tower before noting its height in lead.

I tried to rewrite the first two sentences, but I'm not sure if this is considered resolved. (gavre (al. PenangLion) (talk) 16:28, 31 July 2024 (UTC))

• and a central transportation hub does it?

It is, being the largest bus (and future rail) terminal of the city. I rewrote it as "a major bus terminal for Rapid Penang" for good measure. (gavre (al. PenangLion) (talk) 15:51, 31 July 2024 (UTC))

• clarify repurposed in lead.

Resolved. (gavre (al. PenangLion) (talk) 15:51, 31 July 2024 (UTC))

• extended the height of the building I assume Komtar tower?

Correct, I clarified it. (gavre (al. PenangLion) (talk) 15:51, 31 July 2024 (UTC))

• Komtar was also controversial for causing mass urban displacements and the demolition of a portion of the city's heritage quarter, leading to a rise of opposition that indirectly led to the creation of the heritage preservation movement in Penang. If it's controversial it's redundant to say "leading to a rise of opposition"

Resolved. (gavre (al. PenangLion) (talk) 15:51, 31 July 2024 (UTC))

• the complex was plagued by neglect and dilapidation from insufficient maintenance -> {{the complex neglected

Resolved. (gavre (al. PenangLion) (talk) 15:51, 31 July 2024 (UTC))

• In its later years clarify

Resolved into "Starting from the late-1990s...". (gavre (al. PenangLion) (talk) 15:51, 31 July 2024 (UTC))

• It is also hailed as the last "great national symbols of the 1970s". attribute, unless there's a consensus

I removed the sentence. (gavre (al. PenangLion) (talk) 15:51, 31 July 2024 (UTC))

• The infobox is too detailed. i.e. status: completed. Creates the sandwich issues noted in the last WP:GAN

Is it just the line "status: completed"? If so I have removed it. (gavre (al. PenangLion) (talk) 16:28, 31 July 2024 (UTC))

More than that. From MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE "The less information that an infobox contains, the more effectively it serves its purpose, allowing readers to identify key facts at a glance." Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 03:08, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

Background

• Upon the outbreak of the Napoleonic Wars, the construction of a defensive stone canal began, likely under directions from the British East India Company in 1804. two times for when this happened, the outbreak of the Napoleonic Wars, and 1804.

Resolved. (gavre (al. PenangLion) (talk) 16:02, 31 July 2024 (UTC))

• The canal was 50 to 80 feet (15 to 24 m) wide. as in it varied along the course? Or the information is just very vague?

Yes, information is really, really vague, not just the canal but the entire article. (gavre (al. PenangLion) (talk) 16:02, 31 July 2024 (UTC))

• The location of the canal, being at the very end of the town, was first noted by the Malay population under the name Ujong Pasir, and was later remarked by the local Chinese population in Hokkien as Sia Boey, both coincidentally carrying the same meaning of the "end of the village" This can be better written, i.e. starting "The canal's location at the very end of town was noted by both..."

Resolved, with Due to its location, the Malays referred to it as Ujong Pasir, while the Chinese called it Sia Boey, both carrying the same meaning of the "end of the village". (gavre (al. PenangLion) (talk) 16:02, 31 July 2024 (UTC))

• the area witnessed an economic boom where new businesses were established along the canal. less artistic

Resolved, with In the 1930s, an economic boom resulted in small scale industries such as stonemasons and iron foundries establishing themselves along the canal. (gavre (al. PenangLion) (talk) 16:02, 31 July 2024 (UTC))

• – Macalister, Dato' Keramat, Penang, Magazine, Brick Kiln, and Gladstone Road is it important for this article that we know these road names?

It used to be (although now I feel it's redundant as well), but now as I intend to split the section into several articles I removed it. (gavre (al. PenangLion) (talk) 16:02, 31 July 2024 (UTC))

• This background#site section is too detailed. It should be one paragraph maximum.

I will split this section into several articles (Prangin Canal, Magazine Circus, etc.). I will resolve this issue tomorrow. (gavre (al. PenangLion) (talk) 16:25, 31 July 2024 (UTC))

• he was immediately confronted with the rescindment by the Malaysian federal government of George Town's free port status edit to make more concise.

Will migrate the original detailed version of this section. (gavre (al. PenangLion) (talk) 16:02, 31 July 2024 (UTC))

• Article needs a copyedit for concision; a lot of redundancy. See my recent copy edits for examples. WP:GACR requires the prose is clear, concise

Agreed, I wrote most of the article between 2021–2023 when I was unclear about the style of writing. But the nomination has stacked up for so long I've forgotten about it. I will be fixing the article for the next few days. Apologies. (gavre (al. PenangLion) (talk) 16:02, 31 July 2024 (UTC))

Sources

• Boon not a RS.
• Suggestion: Move Utterback from Journal Articles

Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 05:46, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Resolved, Boon removed; Utterback moved to Publications. (gavre (al. PenangLion) (talk) 16:07, 31 July 2024 (UTC))

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.