Talk:Ko Samui (city)

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Proposed merge with Ko Samui

The municipality of Ko Samui and the island of Ko Samui are geographically identical. The article Ko Samui (city) is probably intended to focus on the administrative district, however I cannot see this meaningfully distinguished from the island. This article does not really add information, it rather duplicates what is already in the main article Ko Samui about this topic. _pseudonym Jake Brockman ^talk 08:54, 4 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The municipality also covers eighteen smaller outlying islands, but I don't think there's enough content right now to warrant separate pages. --Paul_012 (talk) 12:00, 4 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Good point Paul 012. The article already mentions that under Ko Samui#Administration. So the proposed target article can actually already be regarded as a cross over between a geographical and administrative article. _pseudonym Jake Brockman ^talk 12:06, 4 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I think Ko Samui is an island and also district (Amphoe Ko Samui), The island and district can't be combined with the city. Like this:

Surat Thani#Administration (municipality)
Mueang Surat Thani District#Administration (district) OktaRama2010 (talk) 12:52, 4 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Don't merge. Though district and the municipality cover the same area, they are totally different administrative units, and thus have a different history - for example the different municipal levels the city had in past, or a list of past mayors certainly don't belong into the district article. And - as can be seen by the fact that there are three different entities on Wikidata, the island is a third logically different thing. Thus actually it'd be best to separate district and island from each other as well, instead of putting all three different things into one article. I'll add some more data to this article, so it will not look like a copy from the Ko Samui#Administration section anymore. andy (talk) 21:23, 4 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Ahoerstemeier: thanks for the edits, this is certainly much better.

However, I do maintain that the separation between the geographical area and the administrative area feels somewhat artificial and adds more to confusion than it helps resolve it. I know that it's technically correct to separate between the amphoe and the thesaban nakhon (and possibly the island, i.e. geographical feature excluding the outer islands). Looking from the perspective of the reader who wants to find out about "Ko Samui" and the pure contents and context perspective, there's nothing in the second article that could not also be included into the existing one.

I know that WP:OSE is not a good argument. Nevertheless, I'm looking at similar examples. There are no separate articles for Hamburg (city) and Hamburg (state) / Paris (commune) and Paris (departement). Another example is New York. We have three articles: New York (state), New York City and New York County, which redirects to Manhattan. This is probably the closest comparable to Ko Samui. The individual boroughs have been split out of the main article for New York City because there is so much contents about each individual one. However, there are no separate articles about New York City County and Manhattan as both geographically overlap each other, there's a redirect.

Cutting a long story short, splitting the article makes sense if it helps the reader access information. I do not believe this is the case with the Samui article and the split seems artificial. _pseudonym Jake Brockman ^talk 08:55, 5 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The island Ko (Koh) Samui got city-status some year back, and yes its also a amphor (see above comments). To my knowledge (I'm resident) the city-status was an administrative move for better financial benefits/supports, which could improve infrastructure, and let the island keep more of its tax-income instead of it ended up in Surat Thani province on the mainland, used for better wide roads with few cars only (that was the saying on the island). Articles could in my opinion merge, and let the "city" – and history of the expansion of the Nathon-administration – be a separate chapter/section. Kind regards Per Meistrup (talk) 06:43, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Merger complete. Klbrain (talk) 07:19, 18 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]