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Split

I realise that there is a certain irony to discussing the title of an article which is this short, but since the topic is an important one I thought it might be worth discussing the scope before it inevitably expands. Buidhe created the article as "Contemporary knowledge of the Holocaust" but it occurs to me that there are really two entirely separate issues within this title: (i) contemporary awareness of the details of the Holocaust in Nazi Germany and German-occupied Europe and (ii) contemporary awareness of the Holocaust in Allied states. Both are certainly worthy of coverage on Wikipedia (and dealt with extensively in WP:RS) but I'm not sure they naturally fit together. They raise different issues, chronologies etc. In light of this, I wonder whether it would be sensible to rename this article something along the lines of "Knowledge of the Holocaust in Nazi Germany and German-occupied Europe"? —Brigade Piron (talk) 08:53, 20 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Brigade Piron, I completely agree that these are separate topics, not least because they are dealt with in different sources and I haven't seen any that cover both in detail. However, I intended this article to cover only the first part because the second part is already supposed to be covered at International reactions to the Holocaust. Your proposed title might be clearer about what the scope is. (t · c) buidhe 12:10, 20 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Buidhe, that's good. I do think a title change would be beneficial to clarify the scope. Do you want to make the move? As I said above, I'm aware my proposed title is rather cumbersome and you may be able to think of something better. I'm also not very keen on the title of International reactions to the Holocaust either, especially since I'm not sure that their "reactions" are really very notable. It's interesting that the article has very little to say on the key years 1941–1945. —Brigade Piron (talk) 13:59, 20 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Merge

Both this article and the article Good German seem to have mostly overlapping subject matters: arguments about whether and to what extent Germans know about the Holocaust. This article seems the better title: there does not seem much to say about "Good German" beyond the definitional sentence that isn't covered by this article. It is likely to never have enough content to be a stand-alone article, and should be dealt with as a section of this article with a redirect. --49.255.252.131 (talk) 03:56, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No. This article covers knowledge not just among Germans but all other nationalities in Europe at the time. Good German is related but separate a kind of postwar stereotype of Germans. (t · c) buidhe 11:50, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I get it's a separate concept, but that's dealt with in one or two sentences at the start of that article. The rest of that article just repeats the same content as this article, i.e. German knowledge of the Holocaust. We don't create articles for every concept under the sun, when there's nothing notable to say about it beyond a sentence or two. It can happily be dealt with as a section of this article with a redirect.

The overlap is significant. In this article, the nod to "other Europeans" only occurs in the first sentence. The rest of the article deals with German knowledge of the Holocaust.

It's bad practice to have two articles which essentially differ only in the first sentence. --49.255.252.131 (talk) 22:01, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That hardly describes either article. Anyway, I removed unsourced and WP:OR content in Good German and added additional content to clarify how this topic is distinct. (t · c) buidhe 14:58, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Closing, given the uncontested objection and no support. Klbrain (talk) 20:45, 10 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"whilst others highlight a possibility that the German population were genuinely unaware of the Final Solution."

this statement in the lede is unsupported by a source and I have had no luck finding anything to support it. removing it. Unidentifiability (talk) 17:52, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]