Talk:Knight Squad

Sneak Peek?...

Is this another show that's getting a "sneak peek"?... Because, in an article from just 3 days ago, Seventeen magazine is reporting that the premiere date is February 24 (Saturday), but Zapt2It is saying it's February 19 (Monday). --IJBall (contribs • talk) 18:50, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

This one thankfully isn't really complicated at all as there are two different episodes, whereas with series like I Am Frankie and The Adventures of Kid Danger, there weren't. I consider how Knight Squad is premiering equivalent to how Austin & Ally, Liv and Maddie, Henry Danger, and 100 Things to Do Before High School premiered with the labeling used for the first and second episodes. Amaury (talk | contribs) 00:31, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

@Amaury: Am I missing something?! I just checked Nick's Monday evening schedule, and I'm not seeing "Knight Squad". Also, ads on Nick are clearly advertising the premiere on Saturday... Add: Interesting – Zap2It is now showing Tuesday, Feb. 20 as the first showing... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 18:34, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

Scheduling change. Originally it was going to air after Blurt!, but it's now going to air on Tuesday at 7:30 PM, after Hunter Street. Amaury (talk | contribs) 18:43, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

@IJBall: We'll have to keep an eye out tomorrow, I guess.

On another note, I think Knight Squad is an upcoming American comedy television series created by Sean Cunningham and Marc Dworkin[1] that will premiere on Nickelodeon on February 19, 2018. The series will star Owen Joyner, Daniella Perkins, Amarr M. Wooten, Lexi DiBenedetto, Lilimar, and Kelly Perine. is sufficient. I don't know if we really have to go into all that detail about an "advanced showing," etc. The date of the first episode is the premiere date, regardless of how a network chooses to label something. Like with the Austin & Ally case, it's mostly for marketing purposes. Austin & Ally premiered as the lead-out to Good Luck Charlie, It's Christmas! to draw in viewers on December 2, 2011. On December 4, 2011, it took up its regular Sunday slot. This series will take its regular slot beginning February 24, but the actual premiere is tomorrow or Tuesday—however it works out. That's why they're calling it the official premiere, because Saturday is its regular slot. Hunter Street and I Am Frankie did the same thing, though with I Am Frankie, it's actually fine to go into into a little more detail in the lead since the sneak peek was only the first half of the first episode rather than the whole episode like in other cases.

Of course that doesn't mean that the sneak peek and official premiere stuff can't be mentioned at all. The "Production" section would be perfect to mention this stuff in. However, for the lead, keeping it simple like in my paragraph above is probably best. This would also apply to other series where we've had similar situations, such as Lip Sync Battle Shorties, The Adventures of Kid Danger, and so on.

Of course, as always, this is only my opinion. Amaury (talk | contribs) 02:52, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

The Feb. 24 airing is the one that is consistently mentioned as the "premiere" (and is sourceable), so at a minimum that's the one that should get mentioned in the lede. The whole problem with the "advanced showing" probably also needs to be mentioned as well, so I think the only solution is to mention both. Something like this has been done in the ledes for both Falling Water (TV series) and The Bold Type, for example, so I think some form of the current version of the lede will be necessary (though the order can be reversed, like at The Bold Type...). --IJBall (contribs • talk) 04:27, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

Episode summaries

Moved from: User talk:IJBall#Knight Squad episode summaries.

Starforce13 made a WP:BOLD edit that added episode summaries ranging from 179 to 217 words to all aired episodes thus far, which IJBall quickly reverted with the following edit summary: These seem on the long side for a show like this - summaries of about 100 words would be preferable. However, per WP:TVPLOT: For main series articles, plot summaries of no more than 200 words per episode should ideally be presented in a table using {{Episode table}} and {{Episode list}} (such as State of Affairs).

With regard to: Yes, I'm saying for a show like this they were too long. "200 words" is a maximum – shows like this do not need 200-word episode summaries. And: ...200-word summaries are more justifiable for a 60-minute drama series episodes. 30-minute sitcoms probably only merit about 100-word episode summaries (esp. a "kids" show like this one). There's nothing in WP:TVPLOT stating that only 100~ words should be used for the traditional 30-minute series and 200~ words are only good for the 60-minute series. Amaury (talk | contribs) 23:10, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

Thank you again, @Amaury:. While keeping them about 100 words like @IJBall: wants would be nice, it would be great if we don't revert other people's edits based on our preferences and not Wikipedia policy violations. Writing good plot summaries is not easy. It takes time and effort and lots of rewrites. So, it's a bummer when they get reverted right away because of a personal preference. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Starforce13 (talk • contribs) 23:33, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

Well, I reverted because I thought the summaries were excessive and over-written, and I was hoping that you could come up with some shorter ones. And, as both Amaury and I like to say, guidelines are just that – "guidelines", or suggestions, and they cannot possibly account for every situation or variation, which is where consensus and common-sense come into play. But, as I said on my Talk page, briefer episode summaries are appropriate for a show like this. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 00:52, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

If the summary is a sentence or two they are likely copied from programming guides and are likely WP:COPYVIO. If too long becomes a copyvio as well as it tells the complete story in too much detail, basically restating everything, as opposed to summarizing. If the summary is good faith from someone watching the episode then it is discouraging to have it reverted. The original info is still in the edit history though. I think 100 words or so for a 30 minute episode is reasonable. Geraldo Perez (talk) 01:04, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict) To be fair, in my opinion, while guidelines aren't top-down rules—we both agree there—I think you can only apply "common sense" with some guidelines. With others, there are generally only limited ways they can be followed. In the case of episode summaries, I agree with Starforce that it can be challenging to write an episode summary and get all the important bits in when you know there is a limit. Out of the nine summaries that they wrote, two went a little over 200 words, two were right at 200 words, and the remaining five were relatively close to 200 words, the lowest only being 179. While I also agree that summaries could be shortened, Starforce was likely already writing as little as possible to stay within or around the limit.

Also, if we're going to say that 30-minute episodes only deserve 100~ words for their episode summaries, then shouldn't we be consistent? Using a recent example, my episode summary for School of Rock's "A Matter of Trust" clocks in at 536 words, but that was left alone. Similarly, the episode summary I wrote for Game Shakers' "Shark Explosion" clocks in at 420 words and the original episode summary I wrote for Game Shakers' "Game Shippers" clocks in at 356 words. After MPFitz1968 did some copy-editing, the episode summary for "Game Shippers" now sits at 278 words. Earlier examples include 100 Things to Do Before High School, where I started writing episode summaries with "Make a New Friend Thing!" which gradually got longer as I went on as can be seen. Only "Leave Your Mark Thing!" has so far been shortened by someone else.

I'll say it now that I have a bad habit of going on and on and am by no means encouraging other editors to go excessive like I have. Sometimes the bulb in my head just clicks on and my train of thought gets going as I'm watching an episode, and I take advantage of it and write an episode summary after the episode is over. While some of my episode summaries have indeed been within a reasonable range, a lot of them have been excessively over 200 words. Nicky, Ricky, Dicky & Dawn during late season two and a lot of season three is another example similar to 100 Things to Do Before High School, and Starforce was nice enough to shorten those. Amaury (talk | contribs) 01:23, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Virtually every episode of this show is the same: "'A' plot: Arc lies/schemes and get Ciara/Phoenix Squad in a jam. 'B' plot: Prudence and Warwick have a wacky adventure." Some episodes, there might be: "'C' plot: Sage says something snarky; Buttercup giggles." That's pretty much it. This show is not complicated. Episode summaries should appropriately match the level of "story detail" required. I dunno what they're doing at other articles – I'm just watching this one. But MOS:TV saying "100–200 words" isn't an invitation to write 200-word episode summaries for every scripted TV show under the sun. In fact, "100 words" is in there because some shows will only require ~100-word episodes summaries. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 01:34, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

I don't think the 200 words maximum is necessarily an invitation to go crazy, more that whichever editors were involved in the consensus of adding that likely understood the difficulties of writing episode summaries and put 100–200 words in place so editors who wrote episode summaries and went over wouldn't have to worry about being reverted, generally speaking. Also, it probably could have been explained earlier that episode summaries generally should match the level of a series' story detail, and there probably would have been less confusion. However, in my opinion, it probably could have been brought up on the talk page without reversion to see how the episode summaries could be shortened. This article was in "desperate need" of episode summaries, and Starforce was kind enough to write them. Admittedly, as Geraldo points out above, their episode summaries are still in the history, and they can just and copy and paste them and then make changes accordingly to shorten them, I just don't think it merited being reverted without at least some sort of followup here with elaboration. Again, though, this is just my opinion, and it isn't meant to be criticism. Amaury (talk | contribs) 01:47, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

It was a judgement call – if given the choice between no episode summaries, and over-written episode summaries, I'd rather have no summaries in the short term. Leaving them would mean that it would likely fall to us to improve/fix them, and I generally feel that whoever does a "bold" edit like that needs to the one who's responsible for "fixing" them if they're flawed. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 01:53, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Look, I can write shorter episode summaries, if those are the rules. These are shows I care about and I want the best quality on their articles. I would have appreciated if IJBall mentioned it first before reverting. Or even flagged them with the "plot too long" tag. I would have shortened them. It's just the nice thing to do since I wasn't violating any rules. The summary placeholders should probably be changed to say the summary should be about 100 words, if that's the new consensus, so that future editors don't go through the same. Starforce13 (talk) 03:33, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

There aren't "rules" like that. There's just "consensus" about what's best for the articles.... Doing what you suggested wouldn't have been what's best for the article – the truth of the matter is, article tags like {{Long plot}} actually don't work 90% of the time or more. (My secret is that a good percentage of time when I'm tagging articles, I'm tagging them as reminders to myself rather than as a message to other editors...) Doing that would have just left a mess for others to clean up. This way, I'm being upfront with what the issues are... But look at those summaries below: Some of them are three paragraphs long. That's just way too much for a show like this. Again, one paragraph of roughly 100 words is a good benchmark to shoot for, for a show like this. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 03:43, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

If this was based on a consensus that can be used to revert other people's contribution, I'm guessing there would be some discussion somewhere with other editors like the way we're discussing here. IJBall, can you provide us a link to that consensus? (And again, I'm not complaining about having to make the plots 100 words. I watch the shows keenly and I can write a plot of any length. My only problem is the way it was handled.)Starforce13 (talk) 14:50, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Copy of episode summaries

As a courtesy to Starforce, here are their episode summaries. We can also use this sub-section to discuss ways on shortening them to at least all be below 150 words. That could be a compromise. Season 1 Episode 1: Opening Knight Arc, a young drifter sneaks into the Knight School in Astoria hoping to become a knight and defend his homeland of Seagate. Since he can't afford the school fees, he steals and sells the Princess's tiara. He gets accepted to Knight School and joins the Phoenix Squad, which is led by Ciara. The other members are Prudence and Warwick. Ciara notices that Arc is using the same catchphrase as the thief who stole the Princess's tiara. And Arc notices that Arc is wearing the same ring as the Princess. After a confrontation, Arc admits to Ciara that he is not really a descendant of Dragon Blood but he wants to become a knight of Astoria to protect his people. Ciara confirms Arc's suspicion that she is the Princess. She secretly uses the magical pixie ring to transform herself into Ciara because she wants to go to Knight School and become a knight but her father, The King, won't let her. If anyone found out their secrets, they would both be kicked out of Knight School. So, Ciara and Arc agree to help each other keep their secrets. Meanwhile, Sage - the leader of Kraken Squad - works with her best friend, Buttercup, to manipulate and sabotage Phoenix Squad hoping to get them kicked out of Knight School. She fails. Season 1 Episode 2: A Knight at the Roxbury Ciara and Arc are can't agree on who should compete for the annual Roxbury Cup on behalf of Phoenix Squad. They finally use a coin flip where Arc wins. But then Ciara nominates herself the last minute. To force Ciara to quit, Arc invites the Princess to attend since the Princess is secretly Ciara and can't be in two places at the same time. However, according to rules, if Ciara quits the competition, she would get kicked out of Knight School. So, Ciara and Arc hatch a plan where the Princess hide claims to be sick and has to remain hidden in her hut. Ciara is so close to beating Sage when she notices Arc in trouble because the King is demanding to see the Princess. She messes up on purpose and transforms back into the princess. Sage wins the cup for Kraken Squad. Ciara admits that winning isn't everything. Meanwhile, Warwick's little brother, Fizzwick comes to Knight School and mentions that Warwick has been telling him that he's the bravest knight at the school. So, Prudy helps Warwick prove that he's brave to Warwick by fighting a fake monster(Prudy in a costume). Unfortunately, a real monster shows up but luckily Warwick defeats the monster by accident. Fizzwick is proud of his brother. Season 1 Episode 3: Knight in Shining Armor Day It's Armor Day in Astoria, a day that celebrates the lost magical armor that was built to protect Astoria. Phoenix Squad is put in charge of hosting Armor Day festivities but Arc risks getting expelled because he doesn't know Armor Day traditions. So, Ciara teaches him all the traditions he needs to know so that no one will suspect that Arc is not from Astoria. But when Arc messes up one of the traditions by hiding the chocolate armor in the wrong place, he and Ciara must battle a dangerous packrat in order to recover the armor before the great wizard starts looking for it. For Armor Day gift, Buttercup gets Sage a diorama of how they first met when Sage saved Buttercup from a bunch of bullies who were making fun of her. Instead of giving Buttercup a similar, thoughtful gift, Sage gives her the job of carrying it. Fizzwick tricks Sage to get Buttercup a unicorn blossom. Sage goes through a lot of dangers to get the rare unicorn blossom only to realize that Buttercup is allergic. Season 1 Episode 4: One Magical Knight Sorceress Spitzalot from Spitzalot School of Sorcery comes to Knight School to test if any of the knight students have magical powers so that she can take them to her magic school. She teaches them a spell but none of them pulls it off. Arc later finds Warwick casting the spell inside the Phoenix Squad room. Warwick reveals that he has been hiding his powers because if anyone found out, he would be forced to leave Knight School for the sorcery school. Arc promises to keep the secret but first they celebrate by removing cake from paintings. When Warwick magically removes clothes from a villain in a painting, the villain also comes back to life and starts attacking Knight School. Ciara needs Prudy to help carry the heavy painting so that Warwick can put the villain back. But Prudy has left Knight School because Sage had tricked Prudy into leaving by convincing her that she is a liability because she can't control her giant strength. Luckily, Prudy stops by and helps Phoenix Squad save the day. With Warwick's magic exposed, the Princess (Ciara) convinces the King to change the rules and let magical students like Warwick remain in Knight School. Season 1 Episode 5: The Dork Knight Returns Jimbo, a former Phoenix Squad member returns to Knight School after being trapped in a cave for ten months. He takes his spot back in Phoenix Squad while Arc is left out. Ciara, Prudence and Warwick come up with a plan to convince Jimbo to quit Knight School and pursue his dream in baking. Since Arc doesn't know what they're doing, he becomes jealous that they love Jimbo more. So, Sage kicks out one of her Kraken Squad members and convinces Arc to join Kraken Squad. While taking out his belongings from the Phoenix Squad room, Arc overhears Jimbo's evil plans to destroy Phoenix Squad as revenge because they gave up looking for him. Arc tries to stop him, but Jimbo uses a toxic gas from the cave to make Arc sleep. Jimbo carries Arc into the cave and tricks the rest of Phoenix Squad into coming into the cave too to rescue Arc. He traps them inside but Ciara hatches a plan to get out. Jimbo is exposed and arrested. Arc rejoins Phoenix Squad and Sage asks Kripan to return to Kraken Squad. Season 1 Episode 6: Tonight, Two Knight When the competitiveness between Ciara and Arc gets out of control, Sir Gareth binds them together with magical friendship bracelets. They will remain together until they learn to work together as friends. Unfortunately, this is the night that Ciara's older sister, Princess Eliza and the Astorian army is returning. Since Ciara must be at the castle as the princess, she dresses Arc up as her girlfriend. The army returns with bad news: that Princess Eliza left a scroll and disappeared. Ciara doesn't believe that her older sister would abandon Astoria like that. So, she and Arc sneak into the laser protected room to look for any secret messages in the scroll. Ciara finds a secret message from Princess Eliza telling her that she's gone undercover to retrieve the lost Armor of Astoria. Since Arc and Ciara worked together, the magical bracelet falls off. Meanwhile, Warwick and Fizzwick are competing against Sage and Buttercup in the Pixie Pong tournament. After realizing that Fizzwick is terrible, Warwick tricks him to go replaces him with Prudence. He later feels guilty and lets Warwick back in. They win by default when Buttercup leaves mysteriously. Season 1 Episode 7: A Knight's Tail Ciara asks Arc to hold her pixie ring so that it doesn't get wet, but Arc uses it hoping to transform him into a handsome prince. Instead, it turns him into a hideous beast. He tries to undo it but the ring stops working. Ciara stuck as the Princess, goes with Arc to the Pixie Crystal River to convince the Pixie Queen to fix the ring. The Pixie Queen refuses because she holds a grudge with Arc because Arc had refused to keep his promise of removing the log that destroyed the Pixie village. Arc offers to save their village if the Pixie Queen fixes the ring and lets the Princess go. The agrees and fixes the ring while Arc is saving the village. The other pixies convince her to turn Arc back to normal too. Meanwhile, Sage wants to weaken Phoenix Squad by tricking Prudence and Warwick into fighting over a special, unbeatable combat card. Last time the two fought over combat cards, it ruined their friendship. This time, however, Warwick and Prudy have made a Phoenix swear to never let it get that far again. Season 1 Episode 8: Parent Teacher Knight Sage pranks Phoenix Squad during an important challenge, causing them to fall behind Kraken Squad and Unicorn Squad. Tired of Sage pranking them during every lesson, they report her to Sir Gareth who decides to expel Sage. Sir Gareth calls Saffron, Sage's mother for a parent teacher conference. Saffron casts a love spell on Sir Gareth using a magical medallion, making him to start favoring Sage. When Ciara reminds Sir Gareth of the school rules that forbid him from dating one of his students' parents, Sir Gareth decides to make Sage a Knight instead. Sage doesn't want to become a knight just because her mother made it happen. She wants to earn it. So, before her knighting ceremony, she teams up with Phoenix Squad to remove the medallion from Sir Gareth and break her mom's spell. Phoenix Squad then defends Sage from getting expelled. While dealing with the Sage drama, Sir Gareth gives Fizzwick money to buy food but Fizzwick gets tricked by the Ogre Greg to give him all the money in exchange for magical chicken nuggets. Buttercup helps Fizzwick realize that he's been tricked. She encourages him to stand up to the ogre and get his money back. Season 1 Episode 9: Do the Knight Thing When a magical mishap causes Spitzalot School of Sorcery to be dislocated, Sorceress Spitzalot brings Team Hex - four of her best students - to stay at Knight School temporarily. Led by Sebastian and Violet, Team Hex starts insulting Phoenix Squad upon arrival. The rivalry between Phoenix Squad and Team Hex escalates when they're asked to share the Phoenix Squad room. Ciara as The Princess asks the King to not let them share but the King announces that they must battle through a series of challenges. Winner takes the entire school. Team Hex wins by using magic spells to cheat. Warwick casts a truth spell on Sebastian, forcing him to admit they cheated. Team Hex is kicked out. After insulting Sir Gareth by claiming that teaching is not hard, Sage is forced to train Knighty Knights - a group of little kids aspiring to become knights. Sage teaches the kids about squad loyalty and tells them to treat anyone who is not on their squad as their enemy. The kids use Sage's lesson against her by pranking her and Buttercup. Sage realizes that teaching isn't as easy but doesn't want to admit it to Sir Gareth. Amaury (talk | contribs) 02:14, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Dates for Unscheduled Episodes

Nickelodeon pulled Wish I May, Wish I Knight from airing on May 5. But zap2it hasn't updated their website yet. I know we usually follow zap2it (and thefutoncritic) for dates. But sometimes, zap2it is usually wrong or doesn't update things immediately (or has typos like "The Thundreth" instead of "The Thundredth.") I've observed that whenever zap2it posts Nickelodeon dates early, they're almost always wrong and usually on weekdays. What's the policy on that? Should we keep the wrong dates simply because they're on zap2it or should we leave them as TBA until there's a credible date? Pinging Amaury. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Starforce13 (talk • contribs) 16:56, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

Zap2it is basically useful for future stuff but they don't seem to care about keeping a record of what actually happens, just what was planned. Futon seems to try to be an accurate record of what really happened but they are not as forward looking as Zap2it for future stuff. Geraldo Perez (talk) 17:04, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict) With regard to typos, we shouldn't be preserving obvious typos, even if they're that way in primary (on-screen credits) or secondary (websites) sources. For example, there was an episode of Liv and Maddie that had Jessica Marie Garcia credited as Jessica Maria Garcia. I eventually changed to an E at the end of the middle name because it was an obvious typo. In the case of the The Thundermans, since it's obvious reference to hundredth, but with a T at the beginning, that sounds like another case of it being an obvious typo. See User talk:Amaury/2017#Typos in credits for a related discussion that took place on my talk page last year. When it comes to actor names, it can sometimes be problematic because credits can get a lot scrutiny by the production teams and actors.

As for listing the dates for episodes of TV series, as long as they're being reported by reliable secondary sources (The Futon Critic, Zap2it, Disney ABC Press), we're covered by WP:VERIFY. If they're wrong or a scheduling change happens—like on Friday when there were supposed to new episodes of The Loud House and SpongeBob—we usually just wait for those dates to pass. If they pass and there were no new episodes, we can remove the date. Once the sources update, we can add in the new dates. If The Futon Critic updates with Nickelodeon's May schedule, but Zap2it still shows one thing, we can go by The Futon Critic since that's the one more up-to-date.

PS: I watch this page, so I wouldn't have missed it, but just a tip: Remember to always sign your messages here. Ping alerts won't go through unless the message is signed. Amaury (talk | contribs) 17:18, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

@Geraldo Perez: From my experiences, Zap2it will usually update with scheduling changes if it's before the original air date they report. For other things, they won't. For example Austin & Ally's "Bad Seeds & Bad Dates" is still incorrectly listed as airing on September 4, 2015, when it actually aired on September 20, 2015. And that's not even because of a scheduling change, but rather that it aired in, I think, the UK first. Amaury (talk | contribs) 17:18, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

Oh yeah, I forgot to sign that. And yes, I agree with the idea of keeping the date until it passes or until thefutoncritic posts a different date, which is likely to be the correct one. I don't know if we should fix "The Thundredth" or leave it that way until another reference comes out. Starforce13 (talk) 17:23, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

@Starforce13: I've changed it. Amaury (talk | contribs) 17:30, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

Thank you @Amaury:. Starforce13 (talk) 17:41, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

"Little Knight Lies" and "End of the Knight"

These two episodes were originally scheduled for November 3 and November 10; however, they were pulled last-minute for unknown reasons. Word was they were supposed to air in December, but now it's not until 2019. In any case, there is zero reason to remove them, as they are still supported by our sources, and continued removals will continue to be reverted and vandalism warnings will be issued. Amaury (talk | contribs) 17:21, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

Slobwick

We should include Slobwick among the recurring characters. Forgetting about "Has been credited in this way" or "In the credits figure in such a way". He is a character that appears continuously in the episodes since his debut, I think that is enough to consider him a Recurring character. --BrookTheHumming (talk) 22:00, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

Is he a major character? No. Does he get credited as a significant guest star? No. Is he even "technically recurring" yet? AFAICT, no. Unless and until any of that changes, he does not belong here. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 22:03, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

Also, the character literally has no lines. All it does is basically "baby noises." A no-line character is not notable, regardless of appearance count. Amaury (talk | contribs) 22:09, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

"Recurring" means that he appears often. Slobwick does it. There are animation series with secondary characters that do not speak, but are included in characters' lists: the Mime of "Animaniacs"; Santa's Little Helper of "The Simpsons"... With Slobwick I do not see the difference. He is one more character. It's information about the series. --84.78.248.145 (talk) 23:17, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

Can not we forget how people appear in the credits, and focus on how a character appears in a story in the viewer's point of view? He appears continuously since his debut, and stands out among the other characters being the only "animal". Even his image appears in the opening sequence. As mentioned here, mentioning Slobwick among the characters is to give more information about the series. But if you do not agree to include him in "Recurring Characters" (although I still think it would be more appropriate), and if we include Slobwick in a section titled "Others"? --BrookTheHumming (talk) 23:28, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

Can not we forget how people appear in the credits No, because this is how Wikipedia works. Slobwick is not notable and is just like any other pet you see on other TV series, only slightly difference being that it is magical, but that does not determine or establish notability. Amaury (talk | contribs) 23:32, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

Agreed – needs to be credited as a full "guest star", and needs to be actually "recurring", before I'd consider it notable enough to include. "Running gags" often don't merit inclusion here, as per WP:TRIVIA – that's what Wikias are for. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 23:35, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

We do have the information on who voiced Slobwick and who performed him. The credits listed Slobwick as "Voice of Slobwick: Todd Tucker." Tucker was also credited as his puppeteer alongside Mike Scanlan. It would be like how they credited Dr. Colosso's rabbit form in The Thundermans with Dana Snyder also portraying his human form. Right? --Rtkat3 (talk) 15:56, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

Consensus on this has not changed. Slobwick is not notable, and continued efforts to try to include them and ignore that consensus is not for adding them will result in warnings and later reports. Amaury (talk | contribs) 03:39, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

Alleged cancellation

There is a tweet by Sean W. Cunningham that says that the final shooting of the series was yesterday; however, we cannot use that because 1) he doesn't outright say canceled and 2) it is an unverified Twitter. While I know it's him and have no doubts, policy is policy. And ultimately, that is controlled by Nickelodeon. We could get a nice surprise with a third season or a 10-episode extension to the second season. Amaury (talk | contribs) 17:33, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

We've now had confirmation that April 20 is the season finale of the second season; however, unlike with Bizaardvark, we don't have something like The Futon Critic saying "the series' current season will be its last" under "Additional Notes." As such, even once April 20 passes, the infobox stays as present and no end date should be mentioned anywhere until the usual: an official announcement or a year passes without new episodes. Amaury (talk | contribs) 23:08, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

@Amaury: is right. Like the miniseries Fast Layne, we should wait until we have official confirmation from Nickelodeon or someone on the show that the series has stopped production. --Rtkat3 (talk) 15:56, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

It ended: [1] and [2], note its from the creator and it says "SERIES" finale, not season finale. At this point there's more proof the show is over rather than still in production. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.73.11.91 (talk) 20:10, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

Neither of those is verified, and series' fates are controlled by networks, not the producers. Amaury (talk | contribs) 20:11, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

While a showrunner's social media would generally be good enough for this, as Amaury says unverified social media accounts cannot be used. So, for the purposes of Wikipedia, the show's ending still remains unverified. And that will remain to be the case until a bona fide WP:RS reporting the show's ending is produced (or until a year after the last original episode aired). --IJBall (contribs • talk) 23:00, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

We can't use unverified social media but verification needn't be just the official one. A reliable source with a reputation for fact checking can also be used as verification of the owner of a social media account. Geraldo Perez (talk) 00:48, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

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