Talk:Kleptoparasitism/Archive 1

Archive 1

Hyenas

When hyenas chase other animals off their kills, is this kleptoparasitism? I don't see why not. I think lions do this too. —JerryFriedman 23:20, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Indeed is and mentioned in literature too, for example this [1]. Shyamal 03:25, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I should have done a search like that, and I just did. —JerryFriedman 04:22, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Arthropods

How about moving all the insect/spider information into a section called Arthropods (with subsections for Flies, Spiders and True Bugs), and adding a Mammals section? That would seem to be a slightly more encyclopedic layout. MeegsC | Talk 07:01, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

If it has Arthropods, should it also have Chordates, including Birds and Mammals as subsections and the different families of birds as subsubsections? —JerryFriedman 14:30, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Good idea! I'll do that... :) MeegsC | Talk 17:48, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

There's no need to be overly broad just to match the other section - there is nothing about urochordata or cephalochordata in there so I've changed it to vertebrates. Richard001 07:11, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Birds /Passerines

You write that there are few known examples of kleptoparasitism amongst passerine birds, but I have frequently, almost daily, seen crows harrying buzzards - both on the wing and on the ground - to get them to drop their prey.
These observations have been made in Germany, but I'm sure it can't just be a local phenomenon?
Greetings from Colin --Colin Bottoms 09:13, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Good point. Perhaps this was meant to be Passerida (which along with the Corvida form the Passeriformes). Shyamal 10:16, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Another report here, one from Australia. William E. Davis Jr (2006) -synergy.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1557-9263.2006.00065_1.x Dusky Woodswallows Artamus cyanopterus collaborate to kleptoparasitize a Restless Flycatcher Myiagra inquieta Journal of Field Ornithology 77 (3) , 345–345 doi:10.1111/j.1557-9263.2006.00065_1.x Sabine's Sunbird talk 00:17, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Humans

Us being the victim of kleptoparasitism. Just the run of the mill vermin - ants, mice, cockroaches - those eat resourses we have stored. I thought it might be worth mentioning. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thunderflame (talk • contribs) 22:26, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Proto-humans

I seem to recall seeing on TV that our hominid ancestors and relatives may have lived by chasing lions and such off their kills. Was it Homo Habalis? More information about the significance of this way of life in human evolution would be a fine addition to this article. Chrisrus (talk) 06:55, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Mundraub

Mundraub was never legal in Germany, only treated as a discrete minor offense/theft (if thats the right term) until 1975. for those that can read german see here: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mundraub I havent edited wikipedia in years so i didnt want to change soemthing with the original article. (also no idea what should be referenced) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.253.98.199 (talk) 10:53, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

"Ninja looting" link

I took out the link offered to "ninja looting," a terminology/usage from video games. I understand how this term was seen to be distantly, vaguely related to the subject of the present page... but why include it here? I can think of plenty of other terms which are as--or more--closely related to "kleptoparasitism" as this one; including them all would be impractical and distracting; including just this one is pointless at best. Spark240 (talk) 03:23, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Honey, Bees and Humans

Really? We need to provide a citation that humans steal honey from bees? Most people would know people have honey, and last time I checked, bees made honey. Where else would it come from? Do people think the bees are nice and give it to us?Black.jeff (talk) 07:25, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

I came to the talk section to say the same. I find the mention interesting. The wording could use some work perhaps. "Humans have also been found to take honey from bees." Well, yes that is true. Could be said in a better way.

What I don't see, is the reason to require a citation however. Does wikipedia have a rule against assuming certain things as common knowledge, because I was of the understanding honey as food is common knowledge. I do know honey was a food by various ancient cultures in widespread isolated areas from each other, including North America, Africa, Europe and Asia. It likely was discovered independently by each of the varied cultures.

The word honey itself is connotatively presumed and mentally classified by default, as being a food primarily, with the defining aspects of it, substance made by bees, are all secondary details in mind at the mention of the word. To quote the first five words of wikipedia's article as currently written, "Honey is a sweet food." Thankfully the article wasn't far from my own recollections on honey.

How can I say this, to convey my thoughts succinctly? To say that there should be a citation required to prove humans take honey from bees to eat, is along the lines of requiring a citation to prove humans eat bread. Everyone as in almost all prominently noticable, sufficiently large cultures worldwide, eat honey. They likely have since prehistory. While there may be some group somewhere that doesn't, perhaps eskimos for an example, those are wide statistical outliers. Those matured adults among those cultures who even without ever consuming it are still unfamiliar with the term honey and it's meaning, are even less in number.

Honey as food is common knowledge. There is no need for a citation to prove that and whoever placed it there while likely indeed in good faith, almost certainly knew the common knowledge themselves. 75.200.7.22 (talk) 09:02, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

My interpretation is that the "citation needed" tag was to verify that human honey-taking is actually considered kleptoparisitism. 138.16.21.199 (talk) 06:48, 5 March 2013 (UTC)