Talk:Kiss and Make Up (Dua Lipa and Blackpink song)/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Ashleyyoursmile (talk · contribs) 07:53, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

I shall be reviewing this soon. :)

Initial comments

• I can see quite a few "Soompi" and "Koreaboo" citations throughout the article. These are mostly fan-written blogs, and are unreliable per WP:KO/RS#UR. So you need to replace those with reliable sources to back up the info.
• Since "Soompi" is unreliable, remove the review for this site from the "Critical reception" section as well.
• WP:NOTRSMUSIC cites "Forbes.com" contributors as unreliable. So replace that as well.
• Per MOS:CAPS, all citations having the word "BLACKPINK" in its title parameter should be written as "Blackpink".

After these have been addressed, I shall give the full review. --Ashleyyoursmile! 12:48, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

Ashleyyoursmile, thanks so much for getting at this so soon after I nominated it. I have removed all these unreliable sources and fixed the stylization. I'm excited to see your further comments! LOVI33 01:31, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

• LOVI33, that's great. :) Providing with the rest of the review soon though it could come in parts. --Ashleyyoursmile! 08:41, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

Infobox and lead

• Target "Korean" and "English" to the respective pages in the infobox
• "Kiss and Make Up" is a song by English singer Dua Lipa and South Korean girl group Blackpink, released as an album track on the super deluxe edition of the former's eponymous debut studio album, Dua Lipa: Complete Edition (2018) on 19 October 2018. I would suggest just writing something more concise like: "Kiss and Make Up" is a song by English singer Dua Lipa and South Korean girl group Blackpink from the super deluxe edition of the former's eponymous debut studio album, Dua Lipa: Complete Edition (2018). I saw a few GAs, the exact release date for a B-side track is not to be necessarily to mentioned in the lead.
• The song was written by Dua Lipa, Chelcee Grimes, Yannick Rastogi, Zacharie Raymond, Mathieu Jomphe-Lepine, Marc Vincent, and Teddy Park, and produced by Banx & Ranx. Though this reads fine, "and" is used twice in the sentence so maybe you could write something like: ...Marc Vincent, and Teddy Park, while production was handled by Banx & Ranx.
• It is a dance, electropop, and reggaeton track, with tropical and EDM tones, that makes use of vocoders and bass synths. I would suggest to keep it as: It is a dance, electropop, and reggaeton track with tropical and EDM tones. Since this is giving too much detail about the composition of the song that should perhaps be saved for the body per MOS:LEAD.
• Can you write out something about the lyrics?
• "Kiss and Make Up" was included on the set list of Blackpink's In Your Area tour. A remix of the song appears on Lipa and The Blessed Madonna's remix album Club Future Nostalgia (2020). It is a pop-funk track that samples the bass from Herb Alpert's "Rise" (1979). This could be moved to the end of the second paragraph of the lead, though I would suggest a bit of trimming in this part "It is a pop-funk track that samples the bass from Herb Alpert's "Rise" (1979)."
• Starting sentence of the next paragraph: "Kiss and Make Up" was met with positive reviews from music critics, with many praising the compatibility of the two artists' vocals in both Korean and English. This could be moved to the end of the first paragraph. I would suggest a bit of rewording of "was met with positive reviews" to "received generally favourable reviews" since we've got like six reviews for the song.
• It became a successful album track, reaching number 36 and 93 respectively on the UK Singles Chart and US Billboard Hot 100, and being certified silver and platinum respectively in Australia and the United Kingdom. I would suggest splitting this sentence into two. Start with Commercially, "Kiss and Make Up" became a successful album track, reaching number 36 and 93 respectively on the UK Singles Chart and US Billboard Hot 100.
• Then this line should appear: Internationally, the song entered the top 40 on charts in nineteen countries, including Malaysia and Singapore, where it reached the summit. but with a bit of reword and keeping in line with MOS:NUM: Internationally, the song charted in the top 40 in 19 countries and topped the charts in Malaysia and Singapore. Then bring in the line: It was later certified platinum in the United Kingdom by the British Phonographic Industry (BPI). I think just mentioning the "highest" certification here should suffice.
• After the above sentence, you could write about the live performance part and the remix part, with the necessary changes though. Also, mention the year of the tour in brackets.

 Done

Writing and production

• Grimes pitched the song to other singers such as Demi Lovato, -> Grimes pitched the song to other singers including Demi Lovato,
• Mixing took place at The Hamilton Cheam by Jamie Snell, -> Mixing was handled by Jamie Snell at The Hamilton Cheam,
• Target "New York City" to itself
• After the March 2020 release of her second studio album, Future Nostalgia, -> Following the release of her second studio album, Future Nostalgia in March 2020,
• Lipa intended to create a mixtape with remixes of songs from the record, enlisting the help of The Blessed Madonna, eventually becoming the remix album, Club Future Nostalgia (2020). I would suggest splitting this up to two sentences.

 Done

Music and lyrics

• Back-up the audio sample text with suitable ref.
• It is composed in ⁴
  ₄ time -> It is composed in the time signature of ⁴
  ₄ time
• length of 3 minutes and 9 seconds -> length of three minutes and nine seconds per MOS:NUM
• target "bass" to bass guitar like you did in the lead
• Target "percussion" to itself
• The structure that includes a vocodered intro, an early-2010s hook, and a rhythmic chorus. This line is reading weird. "that includes" should be changed to just "includes" or something similar.
• Target "verse" to Verse (music)
• Target "pre-chorus" to itself
• Lipa and Blackpink's vocals range from G3 to C5. The lyrics are flirty and assertive and are in both English and Korean. -> I would suggest combining these two sentences in one. Too short by themselves.
• Mikael Wood of the Los Angeles Times compared it to "Express Yourself" (1989) by Madonna. Compared what?

• The remix, made it more specific. LOVI33 20:40, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

• compared it to "Express Yourself" (1989) by Madonna. -> compared it to Madonna's 1989 song "Express Yourself".

 Done

Release and promotion

• Lipa joined Blackpink to sing the song. -> Lipa joined Blackpink to perform the song.
• Target "visualizer" to "Music visualization"

 Done

Critical reception

• Change "positive reviews" to "generally favourable reviews"
• Idolator should not be italicised.

•  Not done, see Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Text_formatting/Archive_4#Should_website_names_be_italicized?. Italicization has been fixed on Idolator's respective article as well. LOVI33 20:48, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

• I would suggest merging the two paragraphs
• "BreakTudo Awards 2019 should be changed to "2019 BreakTudo Awards" since that's how the name goes, but the target should stay the same.

 Done

Commercial performance

• k-pop-> K-pop
• The song currently holds a platinum certification in Australia by the Australian Recording Industry Association (ARIA) for selling 70,000 track-equivalent units.[37] It spent two weeks on the ARIA Singles Chart, where it peaked at number 33 in its first week.[38] Switch the order of these two sentences.

 Done

Credits and personnel

• Target on the names of the artists as well

 Not done per WP:OVERLINK, Generally, a link should appear only once in an article, but if helpful for readers, a link may be repeated in infoboxes, tables, image captions, footnotes, hatnotes, and at the first occurrence after the lead. Lipa and all members of Blackpink have already been linked in the article. LOVI33 20:52, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

• I'm aware of that, but generally use targets in the personnel section, for the GAs. --Ashleyyoursmile! 13:40, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

Charts

• No issues

Certifications

• No issues

See also

• No issues

References

• Copyvio score at 14.5% is really cool!
• ref. 4: Hong is the last name, Dam-young is the first name. The order is switched here.
• ref. 15: Idolator should be cited as "publisher"

•  Not done per above. LOVI33 21:00, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

• ref. 21 has a missing "work/website" parameter
• ref. 27: Remove wikilink on Billboard per WP:OVERLINK
• ref. 40: Add the script-title, "Gaon Chart" should be changed to "Gaon Music Chart" and should be cited as "publisher".
• ref. 45: MOS:CAPS
• ref. 67: It is a permanent dead link

 Done

External links

• No issues

Outcome

• As usual, great job on the article LOVI33. I shall pass once the issues are fixed. Hope to see more of your work. --Ashleyyoursmile! 07:50, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

• Thanks again for reviewing this Ashleyyoursmile. All the issues should be fixed and if not addressed. Let me know if there are any more problems. LOVI33 21:01, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

• LOVI33, happy with your quick response. I did a minor c/e in the lead where certifications are mentioned. It appears that I'd initially switched the "silver" and "platinum" ones; so just thought that the original phrasing looked better and wrote it accordingly. Ref. 40 still needs a "script-title" though, which you can add later and archive it. Elsewhere, you've done an amazing job. I am going to pass this now. --Ashleyyoursmile! 13:38, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

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