Talk:Kimba the White Lion/Archive 1

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Kimba is the hero lion? In original he is named Leo. KIZU

"Under his original name Leo, the lion Kimba was the star of an animated series that enjoyed immense popularity in the U.S. and Europe in the late 1960s. The show itself was based on a famous 1950s children's manga "Junguru Taitei" by Osamu Tezuka, the creator of another beloved anime star, "Atomu" (Astro Boy). When it syndicated five episodes of the series in 1966, NBC changed Leo's name by taking the Swahili word for lion, "simba," and changed the first letter to create "Kimba.""

Emperor of the Jungle

Changing the Names for American Audiences : (amazing article a MUST read ):

"Most of the characters were renamed. Some of the original names were overly Japanese (Ken-ichi), others seemed out of character (Bubu for the most serious villain), and still others were acceptable but better names sprang easily to mind (Dan'l Baboon instead of Mandy.) Leo's name was changed to "Simba" -- short, catchy, and an in-group joke to anyone who recognized it as the Swahili word for "lion". However, only a couple of days before the first episode was to be recorded, it was learned that some Black-community entrepreneur had already registered "Simba" as the name for a proposed Black-power soft drink! Nobody was sure how this might affect their right to use Simba for a cartoon character, but obviously NBC would want to sell merchandising rights if the program was a success, and they would not want a name that might lead to conflicts if they wished to go into the same areas of marketing. It was decided to play safe, and the "S" in Simba was changed to a "K" to create a name that was absolutely original."

[http://www.kimbawlion.com/history.htm How Kimba Came To Be ] --Neuromancien 14:57, 2004 May 26 (UTC)

That article has been updated; there was no competing trademark involved. -- 69.143.145.97 21:26, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

mice or rats

I just watched this episode with my kids today. I believe that the rodents on the boat that Kimba befriends are mice and not rats. I'll check and make the change if I am correct.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.235.64.163 (talk • contribs) .

They were rats; it is stated as such in the show's soundtrack. -- 69.143.145.97 21:27, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

We're talking about the first episode, with the rodents on the boat, right? If so, then at least in the Dub, they're mice. There's a point where one of them is discussing the weather with a stork. The stork predicts a storm, and advises that if he were a rat, he would abandon ship. The rodent then exclaims, "But we're mice!" --Agape

Actually, the word for mouse and rat is Nezumi in Japanese. So it can go any which way ^-^" Leo Otaku 05:45, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Simpsons Mention of Controversy

To whoever is reverting the article to remove important information: please stop. You are only decreasing the encyclopedic value of the article by removing the Simpsons reference. In any controversy, mentioning where it's been discussed in either the news or pop culture (such as the Simpsons) adds to the value of the article. Removing information of relevant nature to the article could be construed as vandalism, so please cease. Also, be aware of the 3RR guideline, which you are in danger of violating. Xuanwu 00:57, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Re: Irrelevant Pictures

An article shouldn't have 50% of its pictures irrelevant to its content. The picture you are adding adds nothing to the article. The Lion King controversy was mentioned on Entertainment Tonight, in the Los Angeles Times, San Francisco Chronicle, etc. etc. Do we need pictures of all of them, too?? I would contend that this picture is totally unnecessary in the Lion King article as well. Far from 'important information', adding this picture comes across as some Simpsons fanboy sees an opportunity to spread the "Gospel".

Oh, and whatever you think 3RR may be, there is no such article. You should check your facts before you create dead links.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.143.148.250 (talk) 10:38, 26 July 2006

Pictures of the mentions you brought up aren't needed, though links to articles or show transcripts from when they did mention them are appropriate for the article. And I'm far from a Simpsons fanboy; if you note, the Lion King article also has a picture of the Simpsons show in question - synching this and that is just good article maintenance. Also, the Simpsons is considered by some a significant pop culture icon, so the controversy being mentioned there shows how widespread debate on the topic was to be integrated into a comedy show.

On the revert rule, I mistyped the link: it's WP:3RR. The fact you're unaware of this means you should read up more on Wikipedia Policy before continuing to edit, especially as your last comment borders on violating WP:CIV. Please be more respectful of fellow editors. Xuanwu 07:22, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Since the picture references the look and usage of the Lion King, it is inappropriate for this article. "Syncing" the two articles in this way does not make sense. As for respect, it seems you were the one backing up your claims with threats.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.143.148.250 (talk) 10:26, 27 July 2006

I wasn't threatening you. I was making you aware of the 3RR guidelines. Part of those guidelines is that a person is to first be made aware of said rule before it is invoked (if needed). Since you've made a number of reverts very close to a 24 hour period, I thought you should be aware of it before an admin noticed and (possibly) gave you a 24-hour ban. Also, please sign your comments with four tildes (~). Xuanwu 05:09, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Copyright vs. Trademark

"But, since 'Simba' was considered uncopyrightable..." This is a meaningless statement because no name can be copyrighted. Trademark, not copyright, applies to names. 68.77.111.101 20:36, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:ReallyKimbaTheWhiteLion.jpg

Image:ReallyKimbaTheWhiteLion.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

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If there is other other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images uploaded after 4 May, 2006, and lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.BetacommandBot 23:18, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Jungle Emperor Leo-1.jpg

Image:Jungle Emperor Leo-1.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

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If there is other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images uploaded after 4 May, 2006, and lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.

BetacommandBot 15:06, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Golden Films 1994 animated film?

Why in the world does "The Jungle King" redirect here and whatever happened to the article regarding Golden Films' animated film with that title? T.W. (talk) 15:56, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

I agree, it should be a separate article, or it should at least not redirect to this article. Please have a look at http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1125867/ 94.248.136.103 (talk) 21:20, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Voice Cast

The only main voice actors on Kimba were Billie Lou Watt, Gilbert Mack, Hal Studer, Ray Owens, and Sonia Owens (Who was uncredited) I doubt a famous voice actor like Mel Blanc, or a well known actor like Buddy Hackett would be uncredited if they been in the series. I am skeptical about the actors,Billy Beltcher, Jackson Beck, and Jimmy Macdonald being part of the voice cast of Kimba but I have no way of knowing for sure but being they are credited for voicing the same characters as other actors I doubt they were part of the series. Also the cast that voiced Kimba was not the same cast who voiced the sequel series Leo the Lon so no one who voiced a character in the Kimba series would be a voice for a character in Leo the Lion SimbasGuard (talk) 20:21, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Characters

Being that the characters of Kimba had different names in different translations and versions I think those alternate names should be included as it is all for the same characters. SimbasGuard (talk) 20:26, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Ambiguous sentence

In the first paragraph of "Plot" is the sentence: "His mistake is to steal the cattle from a near by village, as they had no other food."

Does "they" refer to the animals, or to the villagers? --SmokeyJoe (talk) 03:39, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Inappropriate intro

The intro to this article is inappropriate. Rewrite please. Cid SilverWing —Preceding undated comment added 02:08, 10 March 2009 (UTC).

Separate the Manga?

Should the manga information be separated, to link to an article at "manga of the same name"? This might simplify the article, as you could then transfer the pertinent names and associations to the manga section. As it is, there are four or five referents to some characters. Pittsburgh Poet (talk) 18:17, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Twisted influence

It was Osamu Tezuka who was inspired by Walt Disney animation and inimated Disney's style to create his artwork. That should be mentioned in "The Lion King controversy" section. Right now it looks like Osamu Tezuka created an original product which is not the case. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.253.212.215 (talk) 08:31, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

What nonsense. The Lion King didn't exist that far back. Whatever inspiration Osamu Tezuka derived from Walt Disney is unrelated. --108.197.205.181 (talk) 02:36, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

we have to know that inspitation is diferent to plagiary OSAMU TEZUKA was inspired by Disney classics animation movies to draw and make japanese animation but there is not a Mikey Mouse japanese or Goofy the Lion King is a good movie but not totaly original Disney has lost the inspitarion making sequel after sequels there is a lot of tales to do but no disney just make stupids sequels with reheated caracters where is the boldness that had Walt Disney? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.88.254.73 (talk) 13:26, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

Manga Needs Its Own Article

The 1965 series, 1966 series, 1989 series and 1997 film all have their own articles. It's strange that the original manga does not, given that it's no more obscure than the 1966 or 1989 anime series. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.111.13.126 (talk) 05:50, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 May 2020

Removing Madhavi Sunder as a note as she used unreliable sources in her own Ted talk and book. 2001:569:718D:4C00:210A:396F:C106:9C7A (talk) 13:11, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Not done for now. You might want to get consensus here first. If you're unable to get any traction for a discussion, you can also try asking at the reliable sources noticeboard. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 14:46, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Strongly agree, that person is a disgrace to her degree. An academician should not be believed if their claim is based on questionable sources; in this case, her book uses YouTube videos made with Windows Movie Maker as sources, which is unprofessional. Furthermore, in her TED talk, she discusses the matter at hand and shows signs that she hasn't seen either of two works she is discussing, but apparently bases her whole claim on these YouTube videos that were intentionally made to mislead people. This is the blind leading the blind. Go-Chlodio (talk) 20:52, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Strongly agree, even a cursory look at the sources that Sunder cites is enough to discredit her claims. The videos she references (1 & 2 as shown here) would never be accepted as reliable sources on Wikipedia on their own (WP:RSPYT & WP:COPYLINK). Just because she rephrased their content and published it in a book doesn't mean that the underlying sources are suddenly credible. TJScalzo (talk) 02:52, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Strongly agree Completely agree with the points made above. Not only should she be removed as a source, but I'd also like to note that two of the other sources in the article cite Sunder as a source and also reference the misleading YouTube videos (either through screenshots or the videos being embedded in the article) that compare The Lion King to the 1997 Kimba film. I'd also petition for their removal. See 1 and 2 --Bayou Tapestry (talk) 04:44, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

Given the recent edits here and at The Lion King article regarding Kimba the White Lion, I'm alerting WP:Film to all of this. Flyer22 Frozen (talk) 19:42, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 May 2020

Sunder, Madhavi (2012) should be removed from the page as a source as the sources used in her works are unreliable YouTube videos that directly lie about aspects of the Kimba franchise (such as characters personalities in the show and or movie). 2001:569:718D:4C00:12B:F23F:2347:5A2F (talk) 09:46, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

 Not done for now: I'll defer to the editors above and if one of them judges there is consensus as of this time then they may go ahead and implement the edit. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 13:42, 31 May 2020 (UTC)