Talk:Kim Yoon-ji

Requested move 13 January 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) BilledMammal (talk) 06:01, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

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Kim Yoon-ji → Yun Jee Kim – Correct spelling is Yun Jee Kim, as she is credited in recent press and IMDB in the upcoming Netflix movie Lift: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm7599677/, https://deadline.com/2024/01/lift-review-kevin-hart-action-star-heist-film-1235720340/, https://screenrant.com/lift-movie-billy-magnussen-vincent-donofrio-yun-jee-kim-interview/+Spacecatbat (talk) 05:04, 12 January 2024 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (permalink). – robertsky (talk) 02:16, 13 January 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 20:50, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

• This request is not uncontroversial since WP:COMMONNAME may apply. Steel1943 (talk) 15:29, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Need to prove WP:COMMONNAME; official names tend to be weaker than common name. toobigtokale (talk) 11:59, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Oppose credited her name only in american netflix film - Jjpachano (talk) 22:05, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Her English credited name in all recent press which is usually approved by publicists and artists managers is being cited as Yun Jee Kim. Shouldn't we follow what majority press standards in English is using, vs. Korean transliteration which is less reliable? 75.82.18.94 (talk) 21:04, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

We cannot confirm it, because her agency profile it's not updated Jjpachano (talk) 08:29, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

Artist's official instagram channel is spelled YunJee Kim. https://www.instagram.com/_yunjeekim_/?hl=en 75.82.18.94 (talk) 21:06, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

We often use [1] to try and prove what is used. You ideally need numbers to prove WP:COMMONNAME. An also acceptable alternative is going through the first few pages of Google News or similar and counting which stories use which spellings yourself. E.g. "10 sites use X spelling, 15 sites use Y spelling, so we should use Y". If you do that, I'll support the move, and I think it's likely the move will pass. toobigtokale (talk) 22:52, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

How do you know if the capitalization should be "YunJee Kim" (with capital J)? It could be "Yunjee Kim" (with lowercase j). She wrote "𝕐𝕌ℕ𝕁𝔼𝔼 𝕂𝕀𝕄" in all caps on her Instagram account, so there is no clear way to see if she prefers the J capitalized of not. 172.56.232.146 (talk) 00:16, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

This is just a question. When it comes to a personal name, doesn't personal preference also apply? Does Wikipedia not respect how a person calls themself? Here are some previous move requests based on personal preference: Talk:Zo In-sung#Requested move 23 May 2022 and Talk:Jee Seok-jin/Archive 2#Requested move 27 January 2020. 172.56.232.146 (talk) 00:16, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

If there is no personal preference, and no established English spelling, hyphenate the syllables, with only the first syllable capitalized (e.g., Hong Gil-dong). If you can prove that there is no established english spelling, then yes, preference can work. However, in this case, there is probably some spelling that is more common than others given that the subject has coverage in the West. toobigtokale (talk) 00:18, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

Wait, does If there is no personal preference, and no established English spelling actually mean that an established English spelling takes precedence over personal preference? 172.56.232.146 (talk) 00:30, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

Yes. For example, the article Cleopatra is not her official title, "Cleopatra VII Thea Philopator". Her WP:COMMONNAME is "Cleopatra". Common name is a very powerful policy; it tends to be the main determiner in article titles. toobigtokale (talk) 00:34, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

If proof of personal preference is helpful in expediting this request, I can provide that. I actually made this request as part of Yun Jee Kim's US managers at B&C Content. I just need to know where to send a letter of proof.

Entertainment Industry Trade noting our representation of Yun Jee Kim - https://deadline.com/2022/04/gugu-mbatha-raw-kevin-hart-netflixs-lift-vincent-donofrio-and-billy-magnussen-also-on-board-1234992118/

Company Website: http://bandc.co/ 75.82.18.94 (talk) 03:28, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

It's not that helpful until someone establishes WP:COMMONNAME. I've already stated how one can prove it, it only requires like 3-5 mins of work. toobigtokale (talk) 04:05, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

Understood, thanks. Going through first few pages of Google News over 30+ different sites use "Yun Jee Kim" in recent news in major English language press related to the movie LIFT, including sources like Getty Images and industry trades like Hollywood Reporter, Deadline, etc.

By comparison, approximately 15 different sites use "Kim Yoon-ji" in referring to the same individual. There are also several sites which use this name referring to different individuals, the mother of an Olympic athlete by name of "Kim Yoon-ji" other actors and individual tiktokers and social media profiles that are unrelated. 75.82.18.94 (talk) 02:17, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

It doesn't give me the highest feeling of confidence when it's "first few pages" (doesn't enable us to establish a %), "30+", or "approximately". Normally a list of links is good practice too. I'm willing to do a weak support Yun Jee Kim because this isn't a high-stakes move, but this is disappointing. toobigtokale (talk) 02:37, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Sorry.. I'm new to this. Listing out here:

Different Site Results on Google News for Yun Jee Kim, first 4 pages:

1. https://screenrant.com/lift-movie-billy-magnussen-vincent-donofrio-yun-jee-kim-interview/

2. https://www.allkpop.com/article/2024/01/ns-yoon-g-makes-her-hollywood-debut-in-the-new-netflix-film-lift

3. https://www.filmfare.com/news/hollywood/exclusive-lift-stars-vincent-donofrio-yun-jee-kim-and-billy-magnussen-decode-their-heist-film-63733.html

4. https://www.just jared.com/tags/yun-jee-kim/ (this site was blocked by Wiki so I added a space)

5. https://wsvn.com/entertainment/deco-drive/kevin-hart-is-ready-for-lift-off-in-netflix-new-film-lift/

6. https://people.com/kevin-hart-netflix-heist-movie-lift-first-trailer-8386968

7. https://www.audacy.com/national/music/lift-roundtable-with-vincent-donofrio-billy-magnussen-and-yun-jee-kim

8. https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/movies/2024/01/09/lift-netflix-movie-kevin-hart/72165726007/

9. https://collider.com/lift-netflix-vincent-donofrio-billy-magnussen/

10. https://abstractaf.in/lift-review-kevin-and-crew-crash-land-this/

11. https://www.disappointmentmedia.com/reviews/lift-the-latest-netflix-heist-movie-starts-fun-but-ends-in-cgi-mediocrity

12. https://thedirect.com/article/lift-cast-netflix-movie-characters-actors-photos

13. https://geektyrant.com/news/new-trailer-for-netflix-heist-movie-lift-starring-kevin-hart-and-gugu-mbatha-raw

14. https://www.clintonherald.com/news/national_news/ny-premiere-of-lift/image_4b27dfc5-d0ff-5d1e-a228-3c14f8864430.html

15. https://exclaim.ca/film/article/lift_film_review-directed_by_f_gary_gray

16. https://northernirelandscreen.co.uk/news/netflix-heist-film-lift-arriving-on-netflix-january-12/

17. https://www.thecherrypicks.com/films/lift-2024/

18. https://deadline.com/2023/05/lift-streaming-premiere-date-first-look-kevin-hart-netflix-film-1235375453/

19. https://www.thegate.ca/film/065437/lift-review-a-clean-getaway/

20. https://www.digitalspy.com/movies/a46349991/lift-ending-explained/

21. https://www.daijiworld.com/news/newsDisplay?newsID=1137515

22. https://www.thewrap.com/kevin-hart-netflix-heist-movie-cast-gugu-mbatha-raw-vincent-donofrio-billy-magnussen/

23. https://www.cinemabang.com/lift.php

24. https://nz.news.yahoo.com/know-lift-netflix-movie-starring-221301088.html

25. https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/news-photo/jacob-batalon-and-yun-jee-kim-attend-netflixs-lift-premiere-news-photo/1918727675

26. https://m.imdb.com/name/nm1813221/mediaviewer/rm3570617857/?ref_=nm_md_2

27. https://sg.news.yahoo.com/know-lift-netflix-movie-starring-221301088.html

28. https://www.popcultureplanet.net/articles/tag/yun+jee+kim

29. https://www.williamjacket.com/product/yun-jee-kim-lift-2024-denim-jacket/

30. https://twitter.com/ucorberoupdates/status/1743674101166637085

31. https://www.msn.com/en-us/entertainment/news/lift-movie-2024-kevin-hart-gugu-mbatha-raw-vincent-donofrio/vi-AA1js7tH

Different Site Results on Google News for Kim Yoon-ji, first 4 pages (excluding site referring to different individuals such as Yoon Ji On, Kim Yoon Jin)

1. https://www.allkpop.com/article/2024/01/ns-yoon-g-makes-her-hollywood-debut-in-the-new-netflix-film-lift

2. https://www.thehindu.com/entertainment/movies/kevin-hart-and-lift-cast-interview-on-pulling-off-a-mid-air-heist-of-epic-proportions/article67696168.ece

3. https://www.themarysue.com/lift-release-date-trailer-cast-plot-and-more/

4. https://collider.com/lift-movie-trailer-kevin-hart/

5. https://www.soompi.com/article/1267905wpp/kim-yoon-ji-talks-changing-ns-yoon-g-becoming-actress

6. https://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/2021/06/28/entertainment/television/NS-YOONG/20210628175600320.html

7. https://kbizoom.com/a-famous-sexy-female-kpop-idol-surprisingly-announced-her-marriage/

8. https://www.ibtimes.sg/ns-yoon-ji-marriage-kim-yoon-ji-marry-non-celebrity-boyfriend-deets-inside-58437

9. https://www.ibtimes.co.in/kim-yoon-ji-shares-hers-thoughts-becoming-actress-786287

10. https://whizbliz.com/kim-yoon-ji-ns-yoon-g-is-all-set-to-tie-the-knot-in-september-2021/ Spacecatbat (talk) 08:16, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

It's ok, thanks for doing this work. Now that's convincing. Support move to Yun Jee Kim. toobigtokale (talk) 08:32, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

Why not should look on korean sources to prove that WP:COMMONNAME. - Jjpachano (talk) 10:38, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

On the English Wikipedia, we look at English-language reliable sources to establish WP:COMMONNAME. You may need to take a closer read of the policy. toobigtokale (talk) 11:01, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

Unless it's according to her agency since she still based in korea - Jjpachano (talk) 14:24, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

No my friend that doesn't change anything. Did you read the common name policy? I really recommend that you do in detail. toobigtokale (talk) 20:23, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Consensus is leaning towards moving, but it is not sufficiently solid for me to feel confident moving this given that this discussion has not yet been relisted - doing so now to allow evidence and relevant guidelines like Wikipedia:Naming conventions (people) to be considered. BilledMammal (talk) 20:50, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Oppose It is exactly the same name either way, it is just ordered for presentation per whatever manual of style a publication uses. It is the same WP:COMMONNAME, just styled in the way Koreans would style the name presentation. This article is about a "South Korean singer and actress". We should present the name as they would in South Korea. A redirect is needed at Yun Jee Kim and other renderings of the Korean name pointing to this article to cover the other name order. Geraldo Perez (talk) 17:15, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

"ji" is not exactly the same as "jee". Even if you think it doesn't matter, there are Koreans who would care how their name is presented. Name order is influenced by common name, there is precedent for that, per Syngman Rhee and not Yi Seung-man or something. toobigtokale (talk) 21:29, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

This is a Korean-related topic so Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Korean) applies to this article. Unless the subject is known to prefer otherwise, family name should be written first. Some individuals have shown a preference for Western name order and their article name reflects that. For this article to use Western name order instead of the convention for Korean names, we would need to show the subject has a preference to do that. Geraldo Perez (talk) 22:03, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

And is that not proven above? toobigtokale (talk) 23:15, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

Just in case you missed it, note that the proof (list of links) and my support came after the relisting comment. toobigtokale (talk) 23:17, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

Echoing @Toobigtokale, does the previously submitted list address your concerns?

If it's a matter of preference, can we reference her official Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/_yunjeekim_/?hl=en) as a demonstration of western name order in English? 75.82.18.94 (talk) 01:11, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.