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Expatriates category

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Category:North Korean expatriates in Switzerland was previously added by Kingen Erik to this article, as the article states Kim Jong Un previously lived in Switzerland. It was removed by Loymdayddaud on the basis that "Kim Jong Un doesn't live in Switzerland". No expatriate spends their whole life in a country other than their birthplace. As far as I've seen the Category:Expatriates by nationality category tree is widely included on subjects who have resided overseas for any particular time. Should this category be included? AusLondonder (talk) 06:16, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This was my argument:
The definition of expatriates is "a person who resides outside their country of citizenship."
That is what Wikipedia says, and Marriam-Webster seems to back it up too (if we ignore definition 1, which is definitely not the case we are using this for).
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/expatriate
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/expatriate
I do want to say that I appreciate you posting a new topic here though, no matter what the result is.
Loymdayddaud (talk) 08:04, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think he's a Swiss expatriate.--Jack Upland (talk) 05:15, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why does the article say he could have been born in '82

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Kim Jong Un has an older brother who was born on September 25, 1981 (also, happy belated birthday to him), so he could not possibly have been born in 1982 given his birthday of January 8th. BombCraft8 (talk) (contributions) 02:48, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please see previous discussions of this.--Jack Upland (talk) 05:14, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ok BombCraft8 (talk) (contributions) 02:53, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 30 October 2024

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Kim Jong Un was born in 1984. His uncle and aunt, who defected from North Korea in 1998 have confirmed the birth year. That's why the US listes his birth year as 1984. This should be added to the page, even as another reason for the US's year of birth.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/the-secret-life-of-kim-jong-uns-aunt-who-has-lived-in-the-us-since-1998/2016/05/26/522e4ec8-12d7-11e6-a9b5-bf703a5a7191_story.html

https://archive.ph/bWzjJ 2606:8700:9:5:5940:8F0D:3675:2B5D (talk) 19:56, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: The US stopped using the 1984 date because the ROK gave more reliable intelligence for 1983. Just so we're clear, the quote of the uncle and aunt "confirming" the birth year is:
"They can reveal, for example, that Kim Jong Un was born in 1984 — not 1982 or 1983, as has been widely thought. The reason they're certain? It was the same year that their first son was born. 'He and my son were playmates from birth. I changed both of their diapers,' Ko said with a laugh."
Incredibly less reliable than the other sources given. Yue🌙 22:19, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]