Talk:Kim Il Sung and Kim Jong Il badges

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Reviewer: WPCW (talk · contribs) 20:05, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

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Summary

The article is fully compliant with the good article criteria without the need for any further amendments. WPCW (talk) 22:15, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for conducting the review, WPCW.

I'm happy to hear that the article has passed. I'm particularly content that you deemed it comprehensive yet written so that it's understood by someone without prior knowledge; this is in my opinion the key to good writing.

I take pride in the fact that you found no issues that necessitated attention before you could pass the review. This is not always the case. If you find some errors or room for improvement later, just let me know. Thank you again! – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 00:18, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

Update/Removal of inaccurate paragraph

I'd like to set forward a motion to either rewrite or entirely remove the following paragraph from the article and paste the only accurate bits of it into a different paragraph or section of the article, here it is in its entirety:

"While most badges only feature a portrait of Kim Il Sung, there are two exceptions. The most prestigious type has both Kim Il Sung and Kim Jong Il — there are three designs that feature them both: one with the two against a red banner; one with them over a North Korean flag (without a star) worn by high-ranking Chongryon; and one with them on a smaller, more curved flag with the words 청년전위 (meaning "Youth Potential") written under the portraits — this badge is worn by some members of the Socialist Patriotic Youth League. No other designs feature both leaders. The design is reserved to high-level Workers' Party of Korea officials only. It is so rare that seeing one "can send many a minor North Korean bureaucrat into a stupor". The other exception is badges with the portrait of Kim Jong Il only. They are worn by security services cadres and are also considerably rare."

The only kernel of truth in this whole thing is the description of the double portrait badges: "one with the two against a red banner; one with them over a North Korean flag (without a star) worn by high-ranking Chongryon; and one with them on a smaller, more curved flag with the words 청년전위 (meaning "Youth Potential") written under the portraits — this badge is worn by some members of the Socialist Patriotic Youth League."

But even then, this excerpt has its own flaws; the Chongryon double portrait badge has become effectively the standard within the community in recent years. The same is true of the regular double portrait but I'll get into that later.

>While most badges only feature a portrait of Kim Il Sung, there are two exceptions. The most prestigious type has both Kim Il Sung and Kim Jong Il

This is a little semantic but "most" badges nowadays are the double portrait badges, the very same which are described as being prestigious. This may still hold some truth but by no means do they hold the same weight as they did ten or twelve years ago, KCNA photos show them being much more common among normal citizenry.

>No other designs feature both leaders

This very article describes designs of badges that come from before the modern double portrait with different designs. The older ones have differently shaped flags and some of them have the symbol of the WPK in the corner, much like their single portrait counterparts.

>The design is reserved to high-level Workers' Party of Korea officials only. It is so rare that seeing one "can send many a minor North Korean bureaucrat into a stupor".

Again, true in 2012, not true in 2024. This would be much more of an appropriate description of the relatively recently dispatched Kim Jong Un badges which are only seen on actual high ranking party officials, specifically members of the Central Committee of the WPK.

>The other exception is badges with the portrait of Kim Jong Il only. They are worn by security services cadres and are also considerably rare.

I'm just not really sure where this is extrapolated from. Regular citizenry of all professions can be seen wearing the single portrait Kim Jong Il badge, not just security services.

Let me know what you all think, a lot of this article could have the dust of 2012 blown off of it. Notbraun (talk) 02:28, 18 October 2024 (UTC)