Talk:Killing of Ta'Kiya Young

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Kroger has a policy against intervening in theft

Source: https://www.businessinsider.com/grocery-security-worker-lost-job-after-viral-video-of-theft-2023-7 SquirrelHill1971 (talk) 07:37, 4 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It is disputed that Young shoplifted anything. WWGB (talk) 07:48, 4 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I know. A witness said she put the bottles down before she left the store. I still think that article might be relevant. It says the store's policy applies to people who are suspected of shoplifting. SquirrelHill1971 (talk) 13:36, 4 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not disputed anymore as there has been a video released to the public showing her shoplifting. Gonace (talk) 09:47, 9 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That this whole thing escalated out of a shoplifting allegation is probably relevant and merits inclusion in the article. Whether the shoplifting occurred is not relevant. If police kill someone for alleged jaywalking, it doesn't matter if the jaywalking really occurred. (Do I have to explicitly state that trivial crimes should not be responded to with lethal police violence? I probably do.) CAVincent (talk) 18:35, 9 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Attempting to run over a police officer is not a trivial crime. WWGB (talk) 04:53, 10 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Or was that an attempt to escape a situation where someone had a gun pointed at her? 72.14.126.22 (talk) 12:06, 10 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Kroger didn't intervene in theft. Employees contacted the Police as is their policy.

Not just a person, A policeman in uniform. If she was innocent, she could have got out of her car. End of story. But instead she chose to deliberately run over a police officer. 2604:3D08:6380:6E0:141:A0D5:A5F:7AEF (talk) 00:20, 11 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Did Ta'Kiya Young accelerate her car while an officer was standing in front of it?

It looks like that now that the bodycam recording is public, sources are reporting that she accelerated her car while an officer was in front of it, after which he shot her. Can we include this information in the article? I'm asking this because I believe this information has been removed from the article twice.

CNN: “Get out of the f**king car,” the officer in front of the car repeats as the vehicle begins to move slowly forward, the video shows.(...) A few seconds elapse and then the officer standing in front of the hood fires through the windshield.

NBC: A second officer then stands in front of Young’s car (...) and eventually points his gun at her through the front windshield.(...) Seconds later, Young is seen turning her steering wheel and driving off. A sound is heard, as the officer in front of the car fires into the windshield

AP: Seconds later, she turns the steering wheel to the right, the car rolls slowly toward the officer standing in front of it, and the officer fires his gun through the windshield.

Just for reference, the raw uncensored video.

@TheXuitts, @WWGB, @Leaky.Solar, @Discospinster. SparklyNights 16:59, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

My one issue with the edit (I know removed one) was the language that was being used to convey the information. As shown in two of the sources the word used are "slowly" to indicate the speed, while others had added that it was akin to ramming speed or similar. I can see a minor language change to the sentence that's in the article now from " Young slowly began driving away while one of the officers was near the vehicle." to something better to show the location of the officers, as later statements indicated at least one officer was reaching into the vehicle.

But I think if you want to debate speed, the fact that she accelerated is a moot point, since the article indicates that she was in parked car and then slowly began driving away, which does show acceleration. But as in the articles you linked the consensus (of at least two of the three articles) is that it was a slow acceleration. Leaky.Solar (talk) 19:33, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you so much for that link to the raw, uncensored video. I think we should find a way to include that link in the article so readers can see what happened. If the Police Activity channel at YouTube is not considered a reliable source by wikipedia standards, would it still be allowable to list it in the external link section? Or is there a more reliable source that has the same video? I think this video is extremely useful to understanding what happened. The Last Hungry Cat (talk) 17:52, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]