Talk:Killing of Geetha Angara

A fact from Killing of Geetha Angara appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 8 February 2020 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that even after narrowing the list of suspects in Geetha Angara's unsolved killing, 15 years ago today, down to three men, police could not charge any of them?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2020/February. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Geetha Angara homicide.

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Wrong article name

This article should be renamed "Murder of Geetha Angara" or "Killing of Geetha Angara" in line with all the other articles about murders.

It should not be "Geetha Angara homicide" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.141.39.200 (talk) 22:50, 8 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes it should be. In the United States, the killing of one person by another can be properly called a "murder" only if a trier of fact has convicted someone of it, or accepted their guilty plea. Murder means that the killing was premeditated by someone of sound mind and undertaken without any lawful justification.

IMO, to refer to every article about a homicide as a "murder", regardless of whether someone indentifiable has been suspected, tried or convicted (and assuming that conviction remains standing after an appeal, if one has been pursued) is a violation of BLP, OR and NPOV. If someone has been charged with the crime, it is also detrimental to their presumption of innocence.

Since 2014 the AP Stylebook has recommended this usage for these reasons. Their logic works under Wikipedia's policies as well and I have been titling articles about unsolved homicides this way as a way of leading by example.

OK, now, you can ask, with that out of the way, why do I prefer "X homicide" over "Killing of X"? I think the "killing of" phrasing is a bit more awkward and doesn't make clear enough that it is believed that this person died at the hands of another. Daniel Case (talk) 23:34, 8 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Change title to “Killing of Geetha Angara”

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

It seems the name of this article, “Geetha Angara homicide” does not fit the normal format for Wikipedia article titles. A previous discussion on this talk page a year or two ago discussed this but never came to a conclusion it seems. “Killing of” is a normal format for Wikipedia articles where there has not been a murder conviction but a death has been ruled a homicide, examples include Killing of JonBenét Ramsey, Killing of Breonna Taylor, Killing of Trayvon Martin, Killing of Amy Joyner-Francis, Killing of Gabby Petito. TheXuitts (talk) 03:55, 19 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I created and named this article before that was the standard. I still prefer "homicide", as it's a) accurate and b) results in more naturally-constructed article titles, but I did not prevail, and WP:NCDEATHS is now the standard. So, I suppose, we can change the article title. Maybe I'll do it soon. Daniel Case (talk) 06:02, 19 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Firstly, thank you for your work on the article. Since “Killing of” is now the standard, I will change the page name and close the discussion. TheXuitts (talk) 18:30, 19 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, looks like it was already changed TheXuitts (talk) 18:31, 19 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.