Talk:Killifish

This page starts by talking about Cyprinodontiformes, but I think killifish is generally used of the family Cyprinodontidae, not applied to the whole order. I suggest that any general stuff should go to Cyprinodontiformes and this page should deal with Cyprinodontidae, with a note if there are any fishes called 'killifish' outside this family. Myopic Bookworm 11:15, 22 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

We generally follow FishBase's nomenclature, which uses "pupfish" for Cyprinodontidae and no single common name for Cyprinodontiformes. "Killifish" is one of those terms that don't fit taxonomy neatly (thus no taxobox), and all we should be doing is making a limited number of general comments and directing people to the formal taxa for further detail. There are a whole set of articles concerning fish common names that are not part of the hierarchy, see sardine for example. Stan 14:34, 22 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I'm no FishBase expert, but I'm always suspicious of scientists who try to over-rationalize common names. It is common for such big taxonomic resources to apply common names in a would-be prescriptive way, quite at variance with actual usage. The English word "pupfish" is applied firstly to Cyprinodon macularius and its relatives in the genus Cyprinodon, which extends through North American, Caribbean, and South American coastal regions. As far as I know there's nothing in the Mediterranean region that is actually called "pupfish". If "killifish" is used rather vaguely for a range of cyprinodontid fishes, then the article for killifish should say that. Surely it should not imply, as the entry presently does, that "killifish" is a general term for Cyprinodontiformes (including guppies): as you point out, there is no common name for Cyprinodontiformes. I've seen "Cyprinodon" called a killifish, but I haven't (yet) seen members of the Poeciliidae called killifish. Myopic Bookworm 16:38, 22 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I think this article needs some tinkering to explain different uses of the term better - I suspect that it was started by somebody who held the idea that the group was taxonomically well-defined, but you know you're getting in trouble when you have to start by explaining that your term includes an ill-defined assortment of families! Feel free to work this article over. Stan 23:10, 22 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Amphibi species

New information of the mangrove killifish has been published, | The fish that can survive for months in a tree, time to add more information to the article. 81.227.10.208 13:59, 18 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Etymology

The article formerly said,

The name killifish is derived from the Dutch word "kilde", meaning small creek, puddle.

There is no Dutch word "kilde" (except for the past-tense form of the verb killen, meaning to shiver, or to kill), so I have deleted the sentence. See den Boon & Geeraerts, eds., Van Dale Groot woordenboek van de Nederlandse taal, 14th ed. (Utrecht & Antwerp, 2005). There is a Dutch word kille, a variant of kil, meaning a channel or stream, which seems likely to be the word the original editor had in mind; but I don't know enough to substitute that in the article for "kilde". Perhaps somebody with a reliable source can restore the sentence with the right Dutch word. J. D. Crutchfield | Talk 19:17, 29 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I found a source that says that it's "probably" from the Dutch, so I'll make the edit. Thanks for catching the error. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:44, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Families

Hello @Syorksaquarist: I have reverted one of your edits because it did not work and I don't understand what you meant to do. Did you mean to make wikilinks [[]]? I don't know if you did because those family names also do not exist on Wikipedia/we have no articles for them. Invasive Spices (talk) 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Invasive Spices:Don't worry about it, just trying to correct the misinformation on the page and list all the oviparous genera. Certainly appeared to have worked correctly. Wikipedia is really out of date when it comes to 'killis' (4 families missing?). After a further browse of the oviparous Cyprinodontiformes entries I see that the editors have a poor grasp of the Order's systematics and have confused themselves regarding use of the vernacular names. A simple check of ^[1] or ^[2] or ^[3] will confirm the error of the original list. --Syorksaquarist (talk) 03:58, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Did you mean to use [[]]? You used [] and it didn't look correct. Invasive Spices (talk) 30 January 2022 (UTC)

References

Mummichog is not a member of Cyprinodontidae

The last sentance of the intro is misleading: “Although killifish is sometimes used as an English equivalent to the taxonomical term Cyprinodontidae, some species belonging to that family have their own common names, such as the pupfish and the mummichog.” NinthFire (talk) 05:10, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] ttps://www.killi-data.org/list-names-familygroup.php

[2] ttps://www.fishbase.se/summary/OrdersSummary.php?order=Cyprinodontiformes

[3] ttps://researcharchive.calacademy.org/research/ichthyology/catalog/SpeciesByFamily.asp

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