Talk:Ki (album)

Uncredited musician

there is an uncredited musician on the record - who is the lady singing vocals on parts of "heaven send" and "gato"? Spinecraft (talk) 01:53, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Ché Dorval of Vancouver. —Gendralman (Talk) 01:29, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Devin Townsend Project

The name of the "band" is still Devin Townsend. "Devin Townsend Project" is the name of the album series. Until a reliable source refers to the artist as "Devin Townsend Project", it's speculation to make that the artist name. Note that:

• The record label files Ki[1] under Devin Townsend (but files Devin Townsend Band separately[2]). I think this is pretty conclusive by itself, since it's the only thing close to a reliable source.
• The Myspace[3] (which admittedly is not a very good source) listed Devin Townsend Band as the artist name up until a few weeks ago, when it updated for Ki; it now lists the artist name as Devin Townsend, not Devin Townsend Project. I think this is also pretty conclusive.
• Random quotes from the Ki interview make it pretty clear as well:

• "Each album is essentially a different 'band' (or collection of session musicians) playing my music." So if the artist name is Devin Townsend Project, then that's a band name for four completely different bands (whereas a solo name like "Devin Townsend" implies an arbitrary backup group, as he's done all along — Devin Townsend Band, by contrast, was a static lineup and that's the only reason it got a name).
• "At the end of the 'DTP' (Devin Townsend Project) when it gets played live, (which it will) I will choose one group of people to represent it all." It doesn't make much sense to refer to "the end of the [band name]", nor to talk about putting a group together (which would have the same name?) afterward.

I acknowledge that Devin Townsend Project may very well turn out to be the band name, but right now there are no sources that actually use it as a band name, and for a yet-unreleased album we can't assume anything not supported by existing sources. All sources list "Devin Townsend" as the artist name, so I'm going to revert it back to that unless someone can defend otherwise. —Gendralman (Talk) 04:46, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Hmm. The spine of the album says Devin Townsend Project. Perhaps it is the intended artist title after all? Repner1 (talk) 16:05, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Hmm indeed. —Gendralman (talk) 16:20, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Track listing

What's the source for this list? On my CD it says "Ain't Never Gonna Win" without any dots. -- 217.230.188.4 (talk) 14:06, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Source is InsideOut's website. I don't have the CD yet, so definitely feel free to fix it if it's wrong. —Gendralman (talk) 15:37, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Bonus tracks

I'm not a native speaker, so I hope others will put this into the right words... I think it's notable that Devin released 3 Ki bonus tracks in .wav format on April 27th via bit torrent. References: 1, 2, 3 -- 217.230.212.94 (talk) 19:56, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

I don't know. Even though he called them "Ki bonus tracks", they don't really have anything to do with the album itself. And no independent reliable sources (like Blabbermouth.net or whatever) wrote about them, so they're not really notable in Wikipedia terms (see Wikipedia:Verifiability). If they release a version of the album with the bonus tracks included, then they'll be worth mentioning here. Otherwise it's just trivia, IMHO. —Gendralman (talk) 20:15, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Ki (album)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Hi again, Grendalman. I'll be reviewing this article for GA. I'll have the checklist along with my analysis here when I'm finished. Timmeh!_{(review me)} 23:55, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Checklist and analysis

GA review (see here for criteria)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS):

   The article was easy to read and only had a few minor errors that had to be fixed to comply with WP:MOS.

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

   "recruited Vancouver artist Ché Dorval as a vocalist on several tracks. The album was primarily recorded, produced, and mixed from late 2008 to early 2009 at Devestate and Studio D; the drums were recorded at Factory Studios in Vancouver."

   What is the source for this?

   Fixed. Gendralman (talk) 01:17, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

   Is Townsend planning on touring with the musicians he recruited in support of Ki? If not, it should say so in the article.

   Fixed. Gendralman (talk) 01:17, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

   I'm putting the article on hold until my concerns are addressed above. Timmeh!_{(review me)} 00:47, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

   Thanks for the quick fixes. I'm passing the article. Congratulations and good work building it up to GA quality. Timmeh!_{(review me)} 01:31, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Loudness War

I would strongly dispute the statement "Ki was mixed by Townsend, and features very little compression, in contrast with his usual wall-of-sound production style." While the album is dynamic at times, there are certain sections (most notably the ending of the title track) that are definitely very compressed and very loud and are sonically almost as bad as 'Death Magnetic'. (see http://www.dr.loudness-war.info/details.php?id=7949). Saying that the album "deliberately eschews the loudness wars" is simply wrong. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.179.253.12 (talk) 10:30, 2 June 2012 (UTC)