Talk:Khukhrain/Archive 1

Archive 1

Hitro

-You wrote: "I have made a google search and found ... this website which is supposed to be official website of this caste"

-If you are not a Kukhran then why are you editing this article? Did you see how much work Anoop put into fixing this page up?

-PLEASE, please do not work on this page UNLESS you CAN CITE credible information which will add to the general accuracy of this page.

-furthermore, just like Anoop said, you went on google and linked us a page created by God knows who which says "they believe" Kukhrans are not a caste? What type of nonsense is this? Kukhrans are one of the most ancient and respected clans of Khatri Punjabis.

-STOP THE NONSENSE. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.38.191.11 (talk) 16:56, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Notwithstanding the tone above, which represents blatant incivility. You should know that I have reverted vandalism and original researches from the article and haven't added nothing to it. Wikipedia is not a place for original research, no matter how much effort you put in. Please refer to bottom of this page, another user has expressed similar concerns. You have posted comment without researching over revision history. The google search case referred above has been reverted by me some 4 days back after proper discussion with Anoopkohli (talk · contribs), so there aint any reason for bringing this case after 4 days. You may want to see revision history
If you are not a Kukhran then why are you editing this article?- For this you should know that Wikipedia is collaborative edited project. Please make yourself aware of guidelins regarding ownerships and who can edit and who can edit not.
STOP THE NONSENSE- Try to be polite, we are civilized people. Aren't We?  :) Hitro talk 18:33, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

p.s. its okay to say "kukhran" in speech or conversation, but i agree that if the ancient spelling is Kukhrain then it should be written as so.

Anoop perhaps if you have time you can fix up the Kukhran section on the Khatri page. thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.38.191.11 (talk) 16:58, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

I feel sorry about the confusion between my two friends, but end of it I conclude that both of you are putting up and contesting the same point, then where is the dispute. Further more, Hitro has already helped by reverting the article to the right Etymology, long way back after our sufficient discussions (refer to Hitro's talk page). I am sure that the confusion must have been clear by now. To move ahead further, please also read my reply to the comments of our friend 'Intothefire', discussed at the bottom of this page. (Anoop Kohli 04:48, 3 August 2009 (UTC)) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Anoopkohli (talk • contribs)

It's still Khukhrain

Dear Hitro

Thanks for the kind consideration and efforts to locate the right spellings. The site that you have reffered http://www.khukhran.com[1] states as follows.... We believe Khukhran's don't represent a caste and don't have any relation to a particular religion. They represent a "genealogy" of people that inhabited the same region in India. This area was primarily "Bhera, Punjab (Pakistan)-BHERA, a town of British-India".

So Hitro, they don't even consider Khukhrain as any cast from any where in the world....and just imagine a Canadian organisation commenting/publishing such statements about a sub-caste of Indian origin.

On the contrary, why not reffer to the actual official website that is http://www.khukhrain.tk[2]. I am sure this would help you change your views towards it's right diction/spellings.(Anoop Kohli 06:34, 29 July 2009 (UTC)) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Anoopkohli (talk • contribs)

Kukhran or Khukhrain

I have been working on the subject for almost a month and started editing and adding to the article almost a little over a week. Regular visitors to this article can make out the difference in terms of details added/altered. But during my wide research I was forced to conclude that almost all the mentions of the word in the references avilable, they spell it as Khukhrain and not Kukhran. Type the word 'Khukhrain' in the google search and find it for yourself. I feel the correction is of utmost importance and must be carried out at the soonest to stop further downloading of wrong dialect to people and generations. (Anoop Kohli 03:19, 28 July 2009 (UTC)) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Anoopkohli (talk • contribs)

I have made a google search and found ... this website which is supposed to be official website of this caste. As you see here the official spelling of the subject is Khukran not Khukrain. I am moving this page as per that. Hitro talk 07:36, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

New Revision

Whoever revised this article did an amazing job, adding much more detail and information. Thank you for your edits. The grammar should still be worked on overall.

Vandal edits by anonymous user User:129.98.236.150

Please do not remove sourced text from the article as you have down in your last post .
Cheers Intothefire 05:30, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Vandal edits by user User:129.98.236.219

Another vandal deletion by this user who may just be the same as User:129.98.236.150.

Created a Vandals table for this article

Vandal ip	Vandal edits on	Vandal ip contributions
129.98.237.86	row 1, cell 2	129.98.237.86
129.98.236.150	row 1, cell 2	129.98.236.150
129.98.236.219	row 2, cell 2	129.98.236.219

Intothefire (talk) 03:53, 19 February 2008 (UTC) Intothefire (talk) 07:22, 19 February 2008 (UTC) Intothefire (talk) 07:28, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Motivated Deltions and citation tags by User Shanti Bhai

User Shanti bhai has deleted content and attached scores of citation wanted tags on the article page . When I tried to discuss these issues on this users talk page ,it has stonewalled proper discussion in the following ways

• Deleted my post on its page .
• provided a completely ambigous and non specific answer to my post
• not answered to my subsequent posts on its talk page

it also seems to be using various sockpuppets .
Since user Shanti bhai has refused discussion regarding its seemingly motivated deletions I am reversing its edits .
Cheers
Intothefire (talk) 08:49, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Kukhran or Khukhrain

I have been working on the subject for almost a month and started editing and adding to the article almost a little over a week. Regular visitors to this article can make out the difference in terms of details added/altered. But during my wide research I was forced to conclude that almost all the mentions of the word in the references avilable, they spell it as Khukhrain and not Kukhran. Type the word 'Khukhrain' in the google search and find it for yourself. I feel the correction is of utmost importance and must be carried out at the soonest to stop further downloading of wrong dialect to people and generations. (Anoop Kohli 03:19, 28 July 2009 (UTC)) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Anoopkohli (talk • contribs)

I have made a google search and found ... this website which is supposed to be official website of this caste. As you see here the official spelling of the subject is Khukran not Khukrain. I am moving this page as per that. Hitro talk 07:36, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

New Revision

Whoever revised this article did an amazing job, adding much more detail and information. Thank you for your edits. The grammar should still be worked on overall.

Vandal edits by anonymous user User:129.98.236.150

Please do not remove sourced text from the article as you have down in your last post .
Cheers Intothefire 05:30, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Vandal edits by user User:129.98.236.219

Another vandal deletion by this user who may just be the same as User:129.98.236.150.

Created a Vandals table for this article

Vandal ip	Vandal edits on	Vandal ip contributions
129.98.237.86	row 1, cell 2	129.98.237.86
129.98.236.150	row 1, cell 2	129.98.236.150
129.98.236.219	row 2, cell 2	129.98.236.219

Intothefire (talk) 03:53, 19 February 2008 (UTC) Intothefire (talk) 07:22, 19 February 2008 (UTC) Intothefire (talk) 07:28, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Motivated Deltions and citation tags by User Shanti Bhai

User Shanti bhai has deleted content and attached scores of citation wanted tags on the article page . When I tried to discuss these issues on this users talk page ,it has stonewalled proper discussion in the following ways

• Deleted my post on its page .
• provided a completely ambigous and non specific answer to my post
• not answered to my subsequent posts on its talk page

it also seems to be using various sockpuppets .
Since user Shanti bhai has refused discussion regarding its seemingly motivated deletions I am reversing its edits .
Cheers
Intothefire (talk) 08:49, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Etymology of Khokran/Khukrain?

Can anybody who knows the history of this tribe well, add a properly cited section about the etymology and origin of the term "Khokran". Another section that would be helpful is how they ended up being a sub group within broader group of Khatris. Regards.--Internet Scholar (talk) 03:46, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Great Work

Its been a great experience to read about the past that has been lost in some folds of the partition of India. I read some simillar details in the site www.khukhrain.tk though, but those details sound dubbious and inassertive. All details there are not true, but indeed some verified and glorified facts have been inserted here that are really important for the knowledge of atleast every Khukhrain and even the rest of the world to know.
Great work! Whoever added to the article has indeed done a remarkable job. Congrats!(Sameersuri (talk) 14:07, 23 August 2009 (UTC))

I have a much simillar concern like the one raised by Sameer Suri. The irony is that the administrators of the site www.Khukhrain.tk after having picked up the material from the Wikipedia pages in the recent past, now started claiming the contents as their original copyright material. All the more important is to understand that the content that they copied from Wikipedia to their site is over blended with wrong and original research material that makes the site look awful.
So, all those who agree to this issue raised by Sameer, may please help by leaving their comments on this talk page. (Anoop Kohli 03:30, 24 August 2009 (UTC))

This is incorrect, and I am going to be removing the edits accordingly in a moment. The website has existed for years with that content, the content that is a copyright violation here only appeared a month ago. Simply wrong. Do not, I repeat, do not reassert the material or you may be temporarily blocked from editing. Keegan (talk) 20:18, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Kegan, you seem to be in a frenzy regarding some details about a site that you claim has existed for years. But how do you claim that the material on it has also been there for those years together? I warn you to refrain yourself from further inappropriate deleation of text added by me or by other users without going into proper discussion and verifications. You have been missusing your rights as an administrator and further dont compell me to rais the issue with the Wiki Management to scrap you as an administrator.(Anoop Kohli 06:13, 8 September 2009 (UTC))

Right, good luck with that considering I am a part of the Wiki Management, you will attain nothing. Threaten all you want, copyright violations are not just against policy but also against the law. If you'd bother to take a moment and check domain registration, you'd notice that my "claims" are facts, and you are breaking the law. Therefore, good sir, I suggest that you be the one to refrain from further discussion and copyright infringements, or you will be blocked. You are quite lucky I haven't done so already, as I was assuming good faith. I will no longer do so. Do it again, you will be blocked and a checkuser will follow to hunt for sockpuppets. Please spell my name right if you are going to threaten me, it is not difficult. Keegan (talk) 20:59, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Anoopkohli has been indefinitely blocked. Keegan (talk) 21:19, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

GREAT WORK Mr. Anoop Kohli, first of all creating fake account by the name of Sameer Suri and then appreciate yourself by the user you created and then warning the administrators of Wikipedia. If you have done a GREAT WORK then why to delete contents and post of other from this discussion page and even from your talk page Nishant Kohli —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.178.63.49 (talk) 18:53, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Copy Cat

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My earlier comments were also deleted by Mr Anoop Kohli, a small suggestion grow up, you are having childhood problem of copying from others, Most of us know where has all these articles come from, This time i am too complaining the matter to Wikipedia as Mr.Anoop Kohli has been trying to copy material from other sites which is violation of copyright Act, I dont know what has happenned to Kohli sahab why the hell is he copying , has the God almighty forgot to put brains in his head, i tried to speak politely but you are not trying to understand now be ready for consequences for copying the matter from www.khukhrain.tk

And don't delete my comments, If you have proof that you researched for the aricle befor www.khukhrain.tk please furnish the details of the same,Think of someone twice before copying and article how much effort,hard work, research he would have done to gather the information and you trying to take all credits which you are not entitled to. I thought being Khukhrain you could understand but you are trying to edit wikipedia again, I have written an e-mail to Wikipedia about he matter and hope this artcle wont be changed ever. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.161.153.106 (talk) 13:45, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

COPIED CONTENT

The content on this topics are from www.khukhrains.com and www.khukhrain.tk The same incident occurred last year also, these changes should be undone. This is against the copyright act, as per WIPO —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.178.44.201 (talk) 18:45, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Please, stop removing the comment from this page. Why dont you accept the that contents on this page is from the official website www.khukhrains.com and www.khukhrain.tk
Last year same incident happened and was accepted that the contents will not be used on wikipedia, we still have the mail in written.
If you still want, then please reply us on our official email ID, we shall move forward in written to WIPO. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.178.61.130 (talk) 18:59, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

THE CONTENT ON THIS PAGE IS COPIED FROM THE WEBSITE WWW.KHUKHRAINS.COM WITHOUT PERMISSIONS FROM THE OWNER. ALREADY INFORMED THIS TO WIKIPEDIA. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.178.156.4 (talk) 11:51, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Better Version of this article

• This article now has an enormous amount of unsubstantiated content inserted regarding origin of this clan and descent from Ram and his sons , Mauryas etc .......with the absence of any reliable sources provided it seems unadulterated fabrication .
• A large portion of this unsubstantiated unverifiable content has replaced cited content that was available on this article .
• A lot of the content need not be here at all but on other articles .
• A full fledged concocted history has replaced cited content .

I have provided a link to my last edit page of this article which contains all the cited material that has been deleted .
Intothefire (talk) 17:34, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

It's still Khukhrain

Dear Hitro

Thanks for the kind consideration and efforts to locate the right spellings. The site that you have reffered http://www.khukhran.com[3] states as follows.... We believe Khukhran's don't represent a caste and don't have any relation to a particular religion. They represent a "genealogy" of people that inhabited the same region in India. This area was primarily "Bhera, Punjab (Pakistan)-BHERA, a town of British-India".

So Hitro, they don't even consider Khukhrain as any cast from any where in the world....and just imagine a Canadian organisation commenting/publishing such statements about a sub-caste of Indian origin.

On the contrary, why not reffer to the actual official website that is http://www.khukhrain.tk[4]. I am sure this would help you change your views towards it's right diction/spellings.(Anoop Kohli 06:34, 29 July 2009 (UTC)) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Anoopkohli (talk • contribs)

Kukhran or Khukhrain

I have been working on the subject for almost a month and started editing and adding to the article almost a little over a week. Regular visitors to this article can make out the difference in terms of details added/altered. But during my wide research I was forced to conclude that almost all the mentions of the word in the references avilable, they spell it as Khukhrain and not Kukhran. Type the word 'Khukhrain' in the google search and find it for yourself. I feel the correction is of utmost importance and must be carried out at the soonest to stop further downloading of wrong dialect to people and generations. (Anoop Kohli 03:19, 28 July 2009 (UTC)) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Anoopkohli (talk • contribs)

I have made a google search and found ... this website which is supposed to be official website of this caste. As you see here the official spelling of the subject is Khukran not Khukrain. I am moving this page as per that. Hitro talk 07:36, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

New Revision

Whoever revised this article did an amazing job, adding much more detail and information. Thank you for your edits. The grammar should still be worked on overall.

Vandal edits by anonymous user User:129.98.236.150

Please do not remove sourced text from the article as you have down in your last post .
Cheers Intothefire 05:30, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Vandal edits by user User:129.98.236.219

Another vandal deletion by this user who may just be the same as User:129.98.236.150.

Created a Vandals table for this article

Vandal ip	Vandal edits on	Vandal ip contributions
129.98.237.86	row 1, cell 2	129.98.237.86
129.98.236.150	row 1, cell 2	129.98.236.150
129.98.236.219	row 2, cell 2	129.98.236.219

Intothefire (talk) 03:53, 19 February 2008 (UTC) Intothefire (talk) 07:22, 19 February 2008 (UTC) Intothefire (talk) 07:28, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Motivated Deltions and citation tags by User Shanti Bhai

User Shanti bhai has deleted content and attached scores of citation wanted tags on the article page . When I tried to discuss these issues on this users talk page ,it has stonewalled proper discussion in the following ways

• Deleted my post on its page .
• provided a completely ambigous and non specific answer to my post
• not answered to my subsequent posts on its talk page

it also seems to be using various sockpuppets .
Since user Shanti bhai has refused discussion regarding its seemingly motivated deletions I am reversing its edits .
Cheers
Intothefire (talk) 08:49, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Etymology of Khokran/Khukrain?

Can anybody who knows the history of this tribe well, add a properly cited section about the etymology and origin of the term "Khokran". Another section that would be helpful is how they ended up being a sub group within broader group of Khatris. Regards.--Internet Scholar (talk) 03:46, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Original research and Vandal Edits

Hi Anoopkohli
Notwithstanding your substantial addition to this article refgretfully you have

1. made a large number of additions of Original research without proper citations from verifiable and reliable sources .
2. made numerous vandal edits which include

• deleting referenced information
  
• altering referenced content
  

Further why have you removed Islam from list of religions

Intothefire (talk) 12:33, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Hi Intothefire
I feel that you have developed a self made presumption that any edits by anyone amounts to an act of Vandalism, which, my dear friend, is not true. It is supportively evident from your comments above, made on 15 Nov 2007, 19 Feb 2008 and again on 4 Oct 2008, about some other users. This shows that you belive in the existence of only YOURSELF. Just learning a word VANDAL, does not justify the use of it everywhere.
In adding the text and claims and knowledge, I have always tried to the best of my abilities to provide sufficient references in your interest. So you must confirm first and then make further comments. In my suggestion, you may pin point a particular case instead of just making a catagorised statement as it suits you.
Even more, I have never deleted any referenced content either, just because it does not make any sense to do so once any reference support has been provided. So here again, please be specific.
Also please refer to the sub-heading named 'Muslim Khukhrain' to further clear any of your doubts regarding the removal of Muslims from the list of religions, as claimed by you.
p.s:- Please refrain from making such baseless claims in future, without refering to History and other details first.(Anoop Kohli 05:17, 3 August 2009 (UTC)) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Anoopkohli (talk • contribs)

Response 1 from Intothefire

• Yes you are right, its only fair that any accusation by me of vandal edits attributed to you should be substantiated by producing specific instances from the history of posts .And I propose to do just that .
  
• 'I also believe that you have been using various sockpuppet' to post
  
• Therefore before I begin to provide specific instances regarding your vandal edits
  

I request you to confirm if you you have also used various other sockpuppet anonymous ips to implement uploading and deleting content . I ask this because there is a distinct pattern, which is apparent.

• As regards original research , my friend the onus is on you to provide citations from reliable and verifiable sources , since you have made massive addition of content without references and not me , in the abscence of which the unsubstantiated content should be removed
  

Intothefire (talk) 06:07, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Despite all earlier suggestions, you have not shown any significient improvements in your trends of making nonsolicited comments about the work of other contributors, as is also evident in the past (refer to my reply above). On the top of it all, you have now started deviating from the real subject to dilute the basic issue that you raised earlier. Above all the references cited with the texts are just not visible to your eyes. Sockpuppeting may be a tool most suitable to surfers well known to you, who prefer to talk without basis and then bend down on some haywire direction to suit their means. I sincerely reserve a polite sympathy to your current state of mind and thus leave the matter further unsaid for your comforting solace and peace of mind. Goodluck for your future.(Anoop Kohli 11:31, 3 August 2009 (UTC))

Great Work

Its been a great experience to read about the past that has been lost in some folds of the partition of India. I read some simillar details in the site www.khukhrain.tk though, but those details sound dubbious and inassertive. All details there are not true, but indeed some verified and glorified facts have been inserted here that are really important for the knowledge of atleast every Khukhrain and even the rest of the world to know.
Great work! Whoever added to the article has indeed done a remarkable job. Congrats!(Sameersuri (talk) 14:07, 23 August 2009 (UTC))

I have a much simillar concern like the one raised by Sameer Suri. The irony is that the administrators of the site www.Khukhrain.tk after having picked up the material from the Wikipedia pages in the recent past, now started claiming the contents as their original copyright material. All the more important is to understand that the content that they copied from Wikipedia to their site is over blended with wrong and original research material that makes the site look awful.
So, all those who agree to this issue raised by Sameer, may please help by leaving their comments on this talk page. (Anoop Kohli 03:30, 24 August 2009 (UTC))

More Vandal edits by user AnoopKohli

This user is a serial vandal deleting and modifying referenced content.

• Here s another instance of its vandalizing referenced content from a verifiable source
• Apart from deleting and messing referenced content this user constantly posts unreferenced personal commentary and unrelated pictures ..for example the Konark wheel …what does this sculpture have to directly do with this group of people the Kukhrans ??
  

Intothefire (talk) 06:52, 9 September 2009 (UTC) Intothefire (talk) 06:52, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Mr Sameer Suri(Anoop Kohli) please dont copy any article from our site

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I am sure you are not sameer suri but Anoop Kohli we have a registered site www.khukhrains.com and http://www.khukhrain.tk and all articles written on wikipedia are copied from there you are once again being told that we have already mailed the matter to wikipedia, dont try to act smart....by changing your name from Anoop to sameersuri we know you intentions of taking credit of our copyright articles , all artcles and maps written and posted before i mean copied from our site by anoop kohli are copied the same way as done before by you who ever you are anoop or sameer, you are still volating copyright act u will have to pay for this, all articles are same as being written by Anoop Kohli,Shame on a khukhrain who is taking credit of our hard work, now prepare urself for the consequences,we have your IP address and we will sue you for copying our content and pasting in wikipedia the same will be informed to wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.161.192.158 (talk) 18:25, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

COPIED CONTENT

The content on this topics are from www.khukhrains.com and www.khukhrain.tk The same incident occurred last year also, these changes should be undone. This is against the copyright act, as per WIPO —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.178.44.201 (talk) 18:45, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Please, stop removing the comment from this page. Why dont you accept the that contents on this page is from the official website www.khukhrains.com and www.khukhrain.tk
Last year same incident happened and was accepted that the contents will not be used on wikipedia, we still have the mail in written.
If you still want, then please reply us on our official email ID, we shall move forward in written to WIPO. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.178.61.130 (talk) 18:59, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Better Version of this article

• This article now has an enormous amount of unsubstantiated content inserted regarding origin of this clan and descent from Ram and his sons , Mauryas etc .......with the absence of any reliable sources provided it seems unadulterated fabrication .
• A large portion of this unsubstantiated unverifiable content has replaced cited content that was available on this article .
• A lot of the content need not be here at all but on other articles .
• A full fledged concocted history has replaced cited content .

I have provided a link to my last edit page of this article which contains all the cited material that has been deleted .
Intothefire (talk) 17:34, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

List of cited content deleted from this article

- *Khokharan in Afghanistan.

“ Eight or ten miles west of Qandhar lies the village of Khokharan. The Kabits of the bards record a Raja named Kokra of Garh Kokarana, now called Kadyana ”

- - -

“ The oral history of the Khokharan traditionally trace their ancient origins to Khorasan in Iran ”

- - The reference to origins from Khorasan in the oral history of the Khukran could allude to migration from that area Khorasan during periods period as well.

“ It is also said that Khukran (Khokhran ) is derived from Karakhan descendants of Krukhak, one of the sons of Manu who setelled and reigned in the North West Punjab " ”

Karakhan is in Uzbekistan.

- - - Khukrains like other Khatri (Punjabi: ਖੱਤਰੀ, Hindi: खत्री) is the Punjabi language adaptation or pronunciation of Sanskrit word Kshatriya (Hindi: क्षत्रिय, Kşhatriya) - - The Hindu populations in Afghanistan and Northwest India continued to recede after the 11th century even as predominant areas of Afghanistan were still under non Muslim rule till the 10th century also see the section on Hindu Shahi and Jayapala.Ibbetson records with regards to Khatris.

“ I do not know the exact limits of Khatri occupation to the west, but certainly in all eastern Afghanistan they seem to be part of the established community as they are in the Punjab. They find their way far into central Asia, but the further they get the more humiliating is their position. ”

- - Though the writer Ibbetson claims that the Khatri

“ They are the only Hindus known in Central Asia ”

, it is contested by other experts in the field of Indians in Central Asia, that though they have a presence in Central Asia, they certainly were not the only Hindu community established in Central Asia, although they were certainly an important element of that Diaspora.

- - ====Shared Gotras of Khokhars and Khokhrain==== - - The Mohyal of whom the Datts are a sub clan were also purohits of the Khokhran in earlier times however

“ the Muhial having ceased to be Brahmans at all , no longer minister to the Khokharan-Khatris and so a special group of Khokharan-Brahmins has had to be formed . . ”

The Mohyal Brahmins associated to the Khokhars and Khokhran have a long history of not following the priesthood occupation that was usually associated with Brahmins in the past

- -

“

"On the other hand in Shahpur the Bhat are divided into Bunjahis and Khokhars, the latter suggesting the Khokhrain group of the Khatris thus

- - :Section of Khokhars - Gotra - :Sigarre ------------ Kushab - :Nadhipotre ---------- Bhardwaj - :Apat -------------- Balash - :Jain --------------- Vashisht",

”

- - :-}} - - ===Clan details=== - {| class="wikitable" border="1" - |- - ! Thama - ! Sections - ! Gotra - |- - | 1… …{ - | Anand - Bhasin .. … - | }Chandrabansi - |- - | 2… …{ - | Chadha… … - Sahni … … - | Virbans - Surajbansi - |- - | 3… …{ - |Suri … - Sethi… - | }Chanrabansi - Chandrabansi - |- - | 4… …{ - |Kohli … - Sabharwal… - | }Chanrabansi - Chandrabansi - |- - |}.. - - ===Porus in the Shahnameh=== - Shāhnāmé, or Shāhnāma, is an enormous poetic opus written by the Iranian poet Ferdowsi around 1000 CE and is the national epic of the Persian-speaking world. The Shāhnāmeh tells the mythical and historical past of Iran from the creation of the world up until the Islamic conquest of Iran in the 7th century.

“ ' Fur called Parus by European historians. ”

finds extensive mention in it.

- - Dara attacked by Alexander writes a letter pleading to Fur or Porus from Bhera in India. -

“ ' Dara 's Letter to Fur of India

- As he nor near nor far could find a friend, He wrote a letter then to Fur to send
- Full of humility and grief and pain
- And first he praised the king in fitting strain
- "Wise, learned and of lively soul" he said:
- "Though who of Hindoo peoples art the head,
- Perchance by now the news thou hast obtained
- Of what upon my head hath fate ordained
- Sikander has from Rum an army braught, Of land inhabited he leaves us naught
- Nor throne nor crown, no relatives no son,
- No royal diadem and soldiers none.
- If thou consent henceforth to be my friend,
- That I myself from mischief may defend,
- Such gems I 'll send thee from my treasury
- That treasure no more shall lack to thee
- Thou in the world too shall renown acquire
- And to the love of great men shall aspire
- A camel with the pace of wind he sent
- To Fur straight of Turanian descent
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- - ===Muhmad of Ghazni and Khukhrain Kshatriyas === - The Khukhrain Indo-Scythians spread over Khushab , Dhune Kheb ,Chakwal ,Pind Dadan Khan ,Peshawar ,Nowshera and Lahore - were a powerful tribe durying the attacks of Ghazni and never submitted to the foreigners but always resisted them whenever the opportunity came to their hands . - The clash of the Khukhrains with Mahmud of Ghazni took place in his third invasion after the defeat of Jayapala ,at the Battle of Bhera in 1004-5 which was a powerful stronghold of the Khukhrain , - - Dr Ishwari Prasad also writes that the last invasion of Mohammad was against Bhadravati (Bhera) the capital of the Khukhrains , in this area who had relieved him of his booty while , returning from Somnath with a huge booty , which Mohammad plundered from the famous Shiva temple of Somnath , which certainly shook the religious sentiments of the Hindus , a certain tribe attacked him and snatched away a large part of the booty from his army , - - Finally when Bhera was sacked by Ghazni , Khukhrain King Biji Rai instead of submitting ,committed suicide by ending his life with his own dagger Jaipals son Anandpal received support of the Khukhrains against Mahmud Ghazni in 1008-9 at Wahind - - Ferishta has recorded a detailed account of the fierce encounter between King Biji Rai and Mahmud of Ghazniat Bhera . -

“ It was at this time governed by Raja Beejay,who having greatly molested the Mohomedan governors ,whom Mahmood had established in Hindoostan , also refused to pay his proportion of the to Anundpal , the son of Jaipal , on whom he was dependent .

- - When Mohmood entered the territories of Beejy Ray that prince drew out his troops to receive him; and taking possession of strong posts, engaged the Mohomedans for the space of three days during which time they suffered so much , that they were on the point of abandoning their enterprise . On the fourth day , Mahmood , addressing his troops , said he should in person the lead the main attack . " For to day (said he), I have devoted myself to conquest or to death "Beejy Ray , on his part having propitiated the gods , resolved also to combat with his wonted courage . Although the Mohomedans advanced with great impetuosity, they were frequently repulsed with great slaughter ;still however they returned and renewed with ardor their attacks till evening , when Mahmood , his face towards Mecca ,prostrated himself in sight of his troops , and implored the aid of the prophet "Advance advance " cried the King prayers have found favour with God " A loud shout from his soldiers responded their resolution,and the the Mahomedans , pressing forward , compelled the enemy to give ground and pursued them to the gates of the town . - Mahmood having next morning invested the fort of Bhatea , took measures to fill up the ditch , an undertaking which in a few days was nearly completed . Beejay Ray , deeming it impossible any longer to maintain the town , determined to leave only a small garrison for its defense , and accordingly , one night marched out with the rest of his troops , aand took post in a wood on the banks of the Indus . Mahmood informed of his retreat detached part of his army to surprise him .Beejaay Ray , deserted by most of his friends , and perceiving himself surrounded by the Mohomedans , attempted in vain to force his way , till just as he was at the point of being made prisoner , he turned his sword against his breast :and most of his adherents subsequently fell attempting to revenge the death of their master .

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- - The last chief or Raja of Bhera was a Khukran, Diwan Bahadur Jawahir Mal . The Diwan Family originally came from Peshawar,and tradition ascribes the abolition the Jizya in Peshawar to his influence
- - ===Mohyals Khokhran and Khokhars=== - The Mohyal Brahmins were associated to the Khokhars and Kukhran|Khokhran have a long history of not following the priesthood occupation that was usually associated with Brahmins in the past. - - The Mohyal of whom the Datts are a sub clan were also purohits of the Kukhran|Khokhran in earlier times however

“ 'The Muhial having ceased to be Brahmans at all no longer minister to the Khokharan-Khatris and so a special group of Khokharan-Brahmans has had to be formed ”

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“ 'That the Khokhars were originally Hindus appears hardly open to question. The Khokhars in Jhelum say they used to keep up certain Hindu customs and had parohits who were Datts, until recent times, but that this is no longer the case. They do not know whether they are connected with other Khokhars of the Punjab. ”

- - ===Khokran and Khokhars and Ala-ud-din Khilji=== - - The book A glossary of the tribes and castes of the Punjab and North-West provinces records - - -

“ The Khokhran section is said to consist of the descendents of certain Khatris who joined the Khokhars in rebellion (against Ala-ud-din Khilji);and with whom other the other Khatri families were afraid to intermarry " ”

- - Other scholarly references such as in the publications of the Britannica also point to the close relation between Khokharain and Khokhar. About the Khokharains mention is made stating -

“ ' The Khokharain sub group of the 52 claims descent from a son of Manu but it is possibly named from the Khokhar Rajputs and several clan names are traced to military. ”

- - Intothefire (talk) 16:48, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 October 2014

The name of gotra of Sabharwal is wrongly written as Hanslas whereas it should be Hansras Sanya123456 (talk) 09:11, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Done Stickee (talk) 01:18, 23 October 2014 (UTC)