Talk:Kevin Quinn (actor)

Singer

Kevin Quinn has no notability as a singer. He is able to sing like a lot of people. He has had nothing that charted or as far as indicated even sold. It is not one of his occupations. Singer does not belong in the intro or info box. Mention in the article is fine as part of his personal life. Geraldo Perez (talk) 21:48, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

I stumbled upon the article after seeing multiple reverts for it in Recent Changes by you and Dontpostblockryan (talk · contribs). Just as a thought experiment, if we were to assume that Kevin Quinn wasn't an actor and I had to judge his notability on WP:MUSICBIO alone, I would say that he wasn't notable. With that being said, I agree with Geraldo and don't believe singer or references to his music should be in the intro paragraph or the infobox at the present time. Sierrak28 (talk) 22:27, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

I'm not convinced he's notable even now! (IOW, I don't think the subject is notable enough to a stand-alone article yet!)... But on the question at hand, I think about it in terms of money – is a significant portion of Quinn's (yearly) income coming from singing/music? If the answer is "yes", then it's a "career" and should be listed. If the answer is "no", then it's not a "career" and should not be listed. And, FTR, it looks to me to be the latter in the case of Quinn, so I'm inclined to think it shouldn't be listed (or included in the lede) at this time. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 22:34, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

Charting success isn't a requisite for being a singer tho that logic is idiotic because there's multiple singers who don't have charting success but still have singer attached to their bios. it's definitely his occupation if he's been actively writing and recording music since the age of 16 (which was in reference that I attached when I edited the article last time) and has his recent releases on iTunes, and is working on an EP. He even auditioned for singing show at the beginning of his career, so obviously it's something he's trying to pursue. Dontpostblockryan (talk) 22:45, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

"Charting success isn't a requisite for being a singer..." It is likely a requirement for considering "singer" to be a bona fide "occupation", rather than a "side-light" interest or a "hobby". And the latter circumstance makes him a TV contestant – it doesn't show that he successfully made an occupation out of it. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 23:32, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

Obviously, it's not a hobby.... and he's more than just a reality show contestant. let's not play dense. There's multiple one and done singers (ie. AnnaSophia, Emma, Kyla, and etc.) who only released one project literally a decade ago and "singer' is in their occupation despite them showing no interest in an actual career in music. I don't see why all of a sudden you have this standard as to what makes a singer and why he has to have "success!11" to be considered as such, but he has spotify, YouTube and iTunes channels, a music video of his single on Youtube, sings the theme song (and other ones) of the show that he is on, and is releasing a body of work. It's not that hard to see that he is a singer lmao. But, it's fine. Leave it as such. I just hate when articles leave out information such as this, but if that's how you want it, keep it. Because at the end of the day, it's eventually it's going to end up being put back up there when he does further his career in music. I attached a reference (https://www.kevingquinn.com/pages/music) and obviously if that isn't enough, there's no use going back and forth. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dontpostblockryan (talk • contribs) 00:29, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

So far no indication he has made any money doing this which puts him in the amateur/hobbyist category. Lack of mention on anything other than his own page shows lack of notablity, nobody is really taking any interest in his attempts to have a singing career. In articles a lack of a discography section generally indicates lack of a music career. Reliable independent sources don't identify him as a singer when they talk about him. Lots of people can sing, it is not a rare ability. As for other articles that mention singer, a lot of them are not justified and this is added to too many article where it doesn't belong. Geraldo Perez (talk) 20:43, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

Discography

By the same token as the discussion above, Quinn is not notable enough to have a 'Discography' section at this article, and won't be until he actually releases a song that charts. Pinging Geraldo Perez. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 00:57, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

I agree. Geraldo Perez (talk) 01:14, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

Agreed. OhKayeSierra (talk) 03:19, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

Haha, a discography isn't "what charts", but a list of music that an artist has officially released. I sourced everything, but if you want to be annoyingly difficult and come out the ass with these "rules", whilst erasing the hard work I did, so be it. 🤷🏿‍♂️ Just be sure to do the same thing with other singers who have wikis but don't have charting material. We don't want to give recognition to hobbys or use common sense now do we?! That would be disastrous! Dontpostblockryan (talk) 07:15, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

Some of that might be OK in prose-form, provided it's sourced to an independent source. But if there is no independent coverage of his "music career", then quite frankly it's not notable enough to be covered in Wikipedia... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 14:50, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

That website isn't the only one that discusses his music career though.... and even then, you don't need a site to tell you that he's a singer, because you can use common sense to do that. Regardless, his discography was properly sourced with his EP and the singles that's he officially released through iTunes so that shouldn't have been removed. And don't give me that bullshit about charting, because there's MULTIPLE actor/singers or just singers who have released music that hasn't charted, but still have a discography section... idk why we're trying to pick and choose without using our heads. Dontpostblockryan (talk) 17:46, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

WP:Other stuff exists – just because they "do it at other articles" doesn't make the practice correct. And "...his discography was properly sourced with his EP and the singles that's he officially released through iTunes..." doesn't work – it needs to be independently sourced. Bottom line: You seem to be approaching this from a "fan" perspective – here, we're supposed to approach this from an encyclopedia perspective, and we're only supposed to include things that are independently notable. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 17:51, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

I'm approaching it from a realistic perspective, but go off, henny. Do you. Dontpostblockryan (talk) 19:27, 12 May 2018 (UTC)