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A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on May 26, 2020.
The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that Hawaiian princess Likelike (pictured) died under mysterious circumstances in 1887 amid rumors that she had been malevolently "prayed" to death?
On this day...A fact from this article was featured on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "On this day..." column on February 2, 2024.

Sources

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1871 trip to New Zealand and Australia

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Uncategorized

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Reconstruction

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This is looking good. I think we can expand on the legacy and merge compositions together with legacy later and include a part about her influence on the song Aloha Oe. I will add details about funeral and burials soon. Also some expansion on the Cook Monument part as well. I like to split off the 1883 letter patent details with her role in her brother's coronation to make it have some more chronological cohesion. KAVEBEAR (talk) 19:56, 4 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]


Death

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  • Cleghorn, Archibald Scott. Letters of condolence and resolutions [on the death of Princess Likelike, wife of A.S. Cleghorn.].
p 17- Rumors "Likelike is being prayed to death by a powerful kahuna."
p 18 - Likelike's death
- Kalakaua had just left her home minutes before she died; Cleghorn and Liliuokalani were by her side when she died - as well as her staff and the medical people.
- Doctors names were Robert McKibbin, Trousseau (consultant). The family had intentions to change physicians to Tucker and Martin. Tucker told the newspaper that they had been called in (but she died before they got there) because McKibbin and Trousseau had decided it was a hopeless case.
- Cause of death was officially labeled "heart disease". One of their final exams, they thought she had a weak heart, a condition that had been previously undiagnosed. Tucker assumed she had been given morphine, but he doesn't say when or by whom.
- Doctors repeat that what killed her was "lack of nourishment"
- Background info on her - her home was "famed for its hospitality" Foreign visitors stopped by, "in this way, she became extensively known throughout the world." She planned to visit America and England, but never lived to make the trip(s).
- She had visited Australia and New Zealand with her husband. She visited San Francisco.
- Passing vague reference to her involvement in her own charities
- Her body was removed "last night at a late hour" by undertaker C. E. Williams
"With yesterday's setting sun sank out of earthly existence Her Royal Highness Princess Miriam Likelike." She died at 5:15 p.m. (note: refer back to the nighttime moving of Liliuokalani's body after her death) "The body was brought to the city early this morning, the hearse leaving Waikiki about a quarter past 12 and reaching the Palace at 2 o'clock." "A catafalque had been prepared in the throne room, on which the body was placed and where it will lie in state for pubic view from 10 till 2 o'clock tomorrow."
  • "Lying in State". The Pacific Commercial Advertiser. February 4, 1887. p. 3, cols. 3-4. Retrieved May 3, 2020.
It appears that she was lying in state in an "apartment" in Iolani Palace, but not in a coffin, "... clad in a robe of spotless satin ... " what is described in great detail does not include a coffin. Attending here were Princess Poʻomaikelani, Kapiolani, Liliuokalani, Prime Minister WM Gibson, Luther Aholo, JS Walker, and others not specifically named. Crowded with mourners and wailers. Services in the Throne Room, Rev. Alexander Mackintosh. Public viewing 10:30 a.m. - 2:30 p.m. Various dignitaries and business leaders paid their condolences. The funeral procession began at 2 p.m. At this point, it describes an elaborate coffin.
- "The Funeral" paragraph: "The date of the funeral has not been decided upon, but it is understood that it will take place about three or four weeks hence. In the meantime the body will be embalmed.".

The Dead Princess

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  • "The Dead Princess". The Hawaiian Gazette. March 1, 1887. p. 1, cols. 5-6; 8, col. 4. Retrieved May 3, 2020.
The funeral was not held until Sunday, Feb 27. This is the details, order of procession, etc.
"The period that the body had rested in the throne room of the Palace ... services had been frequently performed by Bishop Willis and Rev. Macintosh ... their guards had waved the kahilis ceaselessly for nearly three weeks." 9:30 am morning prayers, a room full of family friends and dignitaries attending. Prayers, chants, hymn singing, After all that, the funeral service began.

It was noted by the Hawaiian Gazette newspaper that, "no hula had marred the solemnity, or grated upon Christian feeling" Then everybody who was even remotely involved, entered and were seated in order of importance. Then they finally had the service. People filed out, and the coffin was borne to the catafalque. The funeral procession began from that point. The coffin, catafalque and inscriptions described in detail. OF NOTE: "The funeral procession was very largely or nearly all composed of natives and half whites" They got to the mausoleum, but there wasn't room for everybody. More religious service and singing inside the mausoleum. Apparently, there were photographers everywhere, and a sketch artist set up on the veranda.

Order of Procession

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NOTE: Kalakaua was at the funeral, sitting beside the coffin with the family. Unless I missed something here, he was not in the procession to the mausoleum, nor does he seem to have been there with the family when they laid her to rest. — Maile (talk) 21:26, 5 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Undertaker
  • Police
  • Marshal of the Kingdom
  • St. Louis Band
  • St. Louis College
  • Royal School Cadets
  • Portuguese Band
  • Portuguese Societies
  • Honolulu Fire Department
  • Mechanic's Benefit Union
  • Improved Order of the Red Men
  • Ancient Order of Foresters
  • American Legion of Honor
  • Knights of Pythias
  • Geo. W. De Long Post, No. 45, G. A. R.
  • Independent Order of Odd Fellows
  • Reformatory School Band
  • Church of the Latter Day Saints
  • Ahahui Opiopio Puuwai Lokahi
  • Hale Nauā Society
  • Hui Hooulu a Hoola La Hui of Kalakaua I
  • Nihoa Society
  • Liliuokalani Mutual Benefit Society
  • Second Division Liliuokalani Educational Society
  • First Division Liliuokalani Educational Society
  • Attending physicians
  • Konohikis of Crown Lands [note 1] of Crown Lands
  • Konohikis of Private Lands of His Majesty
  • Konohikis of Private Lands of Her Royal Highness Princess Liliuokalani
  • Konohikis of Private Lands of Her Late Royal Highess
  • Royal Hawaiian Band
  • Honolulu Rifles
  • Māmalahoa Guards
  • Queen's Own
  • King's Own
  • Prince's Own
  • King's Guards
  • Servants of Her Royal Highness, Princess Liliuokalani
  • The King's Household Servants
  • Servants of Her Late Royal Highness
  • Clergy of the Roman Catholic Church
  • Herman Koeckemann, Monseigneur the Right Reverend Bishop of Olba, Vicar Apostolic of the Hawaiian Islands
  • Choir - Kawaihau Club
  • The Clergy of Anglican Church
  • The Right Reverend the Bishop of Honolulu
  • Alii bearing Decorations and Jewels of Her late Royal Highness
  • Alii bearing Coronet
  • The catafalque bearing Princess Likelike's coffin, accompanied by kahili bearers and cavalry escort on both sides
  • Chief Mourners following the catafalque
  • Her Royal Highness Liliuokalani and Major General Dominis
  • Carriage of Her Majesty
  • Her Royal Highness Princess Poʻomaikelani
  • The Chancellor
  • Cabinet Ministers
  • Diplomatic Corps
  • President of the Legislative Assembly
  • Governors of the islands
  • Nobles
  • Privy Councilors
  • Representatives
  • Counselor Corps
  • Collector General of Customs
  • Postmaster General
  • Sheriffs of the Islands
  • Clerks of the government departments
  • Custom House officers
  • Police Force
  1. ^ kono.hiki n. "Headman of an ahupuaʻa land division under the chief; land or fishing rights under control of the konohiki; such rights are sometimes called konohiki rights." (PPN tongafiti.)[1]

Images

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See Likelike lying in state - she was not in a coffin. You can very plainly see her head and face in this image. — Maile (talk) 13:45, 5 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Like Like Drive In restaurant

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I removed the mention of Like Like Drive Inn, back in February 2020 1. Please do not restore it. The restaurant had nothing to do with Princess Likelike, and was not even spelled the same. The name was two words, not one. In fact, locals pronounced it as the English word Like, repeated twice. The original owner was a Japanese man named James Nako who mistook the phrase for "small gathering place."2. — Maile (talk) 11:18, 4 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Early life section - hanai

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@KAVEBEAR: please clarify the below part of the Early life section. It is unclear how many times she was hanai. And there does seem to be some repetition of the definition of hanai. — Maile (talk) 14:29, 4 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This is one of the part that is shrouded in the mystery. Likelike’s hanai parents are never specified except in Amalu’s genealogical account. It is just known she was raised on Hawaii. KAVEBEAR (talk) 16:07, 4 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  1. ^ "Hawaiian Dictionaries". wehewehe.org. Retrieved May 5, 2020.

Marriage to Archibald Scott Cleghorn section

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"She had a reputation of being a kindly, gracious hostess in almost every country of Europe and almost every state of the union." Seems like a pretty wide statement, unsourced. Had she traveled that widely in Europe, and visited most of the US mainland? Maybe leave this out, and just expand the travel section later. — Maile (talk) 19:05, 4 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That part is problematic and I removed part of it for now. I suspect it was added as bad narrative prose. There is source that she was a gracious hostess and that's not controversial. KAVEBEAR (talk) 19:50, 4 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Public figure

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Two questions:

1) What is the significance of her granting the land around the Cook Monument at Kealakekua Bay to the United Kingdom? Was it just a ceremonial event, or did the UK own that piece of land ... and if so, for how long?

 Fixed — Maile (talk) 18:51, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

2) Who cares? As opposed to what? - American Protestant missionary Lorenzo Lyons in attendance. He noted, "She appears well."

— Maile (talk) 20:11, 4 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Removed 2. #1 seems quite significant in context of the rest of her seemingly private life (which is where a lot of the holes are). I think the UK still owns that small square of land. Need to expand a bit more. KAVEBEAR (talk) 22:01, 4 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

GA Ready?

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@KAVEBEAR: I leave it up to you to nominate this at GA. Also, I've decided to leave the details of who was in the funeral procession on this talk page. Putting the list in the article would probably give undue weight to that one section. But up to you, if you decide otherwise. — Maile (talk) 21:20, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

On second thought, reading your comment above, I think we still need to expand the legacy part. — Maile (talk) 21:55, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Maile66: I think it's decent for a GA review. What do you think? I am going to nominate it but definitely still can keep on expanding if there is more forthcoming information. Likelike was definitely the royal four with the least amount of surviving information about. KAVEBEAR (talk) 20:40, 9 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@KAVEBEAR: I say we go for it. The article looks good to me. In researching this, I have been seriously impressed with the kind spirit and giving, benign nature of this woman. She either inherited that in her gene pool, or she was raised in an incredible environment. — Maile (talk) 20:44, 9 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Where should we include some information on her daughter Kaiulani's final fate? Would it make sense to add it to legacy. I like to add an image of her daughter somewhere too. KAVEBEAR (talk) 21:48, 9 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I think the legacy part would be OK. Or even after the sentence under the burial where it mentions where Kaiulani is interred. BTW, have you clicked on that image of her lying in state? Look way over to the left, and I think that might be Kalakaua standing there. The man next to him also looks really familiar, but I can't think where I've seen that face before. — Maile (talk) 21:52, 9 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

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Reviewer: CaroleHenson (talk · contribs) 22:15, 9 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]


Hello again KAVEBEAR, I will review by section, and then assess the article against the GA criteria. I am looking forward to this review. Likelike seems incredible.–CaroleHenson (talk) 22:15, 9 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Introduction

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  • It looks like the infobox is for royalty vs. officeholder, so "reign" is one of the parameters for her period as a governor. Should she have an infobox like Samuel Kipi, the previous governor? If there are some fields that you want for her role as a princess - perhaps the {{Infobox officeholder}} could be imbedded for the Governor information. I would be happy to help with that if you have not imbedded infoboxes before.
I see this is  Done. Great, simple solution!–CaroleHenson (talk) 00:41, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I wonder about changing the first sentence, Likelike (Hawaiian pronunciation: [likeːlikeː]; Miriam Likelike Kekāuluohi Keahelapalapa Kapili; January 13, 1851 – February 2, 1887) to:
Miriam Likelike Kekāuluohi Keahelapalapa Kapili, commonly known as Likelike (Hawaiian pronunciation: [likeːlikeː]; January 13, 1851 – February 2, 1887) ?
Per MOS:FIRST: While a commonly recognizable form of name will be used as the title of biographical articles, fuller forms of name may be used in the introduction to the lead. For instance, in the article Paul McCartney, the text of the lead begins: "Sir James Paul McCartney ...". --- Another good example is Madonna (entertainer)
  • Prefer emphasis on the shorter name much like Liliuokalani or Queen Victoria. Generally all royal bio article bold the most common name and does not bold the full name. KAVEBEAR (talk) 23:56, 9 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I am not sure that Queen Victoria is a good example. I couldn't find her full name until I did a search on "full name". IMO, you did a better job of it. Okay, I get your point.–CaroleHenson (talk) 00:41, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Since her date of birth has just been stated about about saying: "Likelike was born in Honolulu, ..."? -- I made that and a couple of other changes here.
  • What does "prayed to death." mean?–CaroleHenson (talk) 22:38, 9 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@CaroleHenson: that is explained by a sourced note at the end of the sentence where it is mentioned in the Death and state funeral section. "Black magic, evil sorcery by means of prayer and incantation". — Maile (talk) 23:46, 9 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I added "malevolently" to the sentence. How does that work?–CaroleHenson (talk) 00:41, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I consider this section  Done, but feel free to adjust as you wish.–CaroleHenson (talk) 00:44, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Early life and family

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  • Is there a way to put her full name up with the birth info in this section?
  • I am not understanding this sentence Two of her namesakes were Likelike, an earlier Hawaiian chiefess and wife of Kalanimoku, and Miriam Auhea Kekāuluohi, Kuhina Nui (premier) and the mother of King Lunalilo (r. 1873–74).[5]
  • Doesn't namesake mean named after someone? The wife of Kalanimoku was born before this Likelike. I would this it would be the reverse. Was this Likelike named after the wife of Kalanimoku?
It goes both directions. Please see Namesake. — Maile (talk) 23:48, 9 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I, personally would tighten this up, perhaps: Two of her namesakes were Likelike, an earlier Hawaiian chiefess and wife of Kalanimoku, and Miriam Auhea Kekāuluohi, Kuhina Nui (premier) and the mother of King Lunalilo (r. 1873–74).[5] to:
An earlier Hawaiian chiefess and wife of Kalanimoku, had the name Likelike.[5] and unless Miriam Auhea Kekāuluohi was specifically named Miram after her, I wouldn't mention that.–CaroleHenson (talk) 00:58, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I am not convinced. Too many run ons. KAVEBEAR (talk) 02:50, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
What??? I am guessing you meant to put that comment somewhere else.
So: I really like the edit you made, it looks good and I think flows better - at least as far as her birth information and full name. Great job!–CaroleHenson (talk) 03:14, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • In what way is Miriam Auhea Kekāuluohi a namesake of Likelike or Miriam Likelike Kekāuluohi Keahelapalapa Kapili - the name Miram? If so, is this notable?
Okay. Good.–CaroleHenson (talk) 03:14, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent, this section is  Done.–CaroleHenson (talk) 03:14, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Education

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Betrothal to Albert Kūnuiākea

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Excellent, this section is  Done–CaroleHenson (talk) 00:45, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Marriage to Archibald Scott Cleghorn

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  • In On a few occasions of domestic arguments between the two, the princess simply returned to island of Hawaii and refused to return.[8] does it mean that she never returned?
i.e. would you please reword this so it's a bit clearer. If she refused to return, she could only do that once, right?–CaroleHenson (talk) 00:46, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Changed. KAVEBEAR (talk) 02:39, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent, thanks! This section is  Done–CaroleHenson (talk) 03:15, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Public life

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  • In After his accession, Kalākaua bestowed... does it make sense to add David to his name... or perhaps remind the reader that this is her brother?
Yes, but Likelike isn't mentioned in the sentence. So, if someone is scanning this article, or forgot the siblings names, they have to figure out who Kalākaua is - which is also a family name, which adds a level of complexity.–CaroleHenson (talk) 00:49, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Kalākaua bestowed royal titles and ranks upon his siblings: sisters Princess Lydia Kamakaʻeha Dominis (Liliʻuokalani) and Princess Miriam Likelike... KAVEBEAR (talk) 02:38, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I think there is a misunderstanding about what I was talking about, so I made the minor edit here since this person's name is the same as a family name [2]–CaroleHenson (talk) 03:19, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It is a little more complicated than that. Hawaiian surnames weren't formally adopted until the 1850s. Kalakaua did use his name as a surname until his ascession as king then it became a regnal name much like Elizabeth II. It is bad practice (Hawaii MOS and also from a historiographical sense toward Native Hawaiian naming practices) to refer to the king during his reign David or Liliuokalani as Lydia. So I changed it to remind reader that he is her brother. KAVEBEAR (talk) 03:56, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Excellent, thank you! It looks good.–CaroleHenson (talk) 08:59, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This section is  Done.–CaroleHenson (talk) 09:36, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Travels

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Death and state funeral

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Funeral and burial

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Compositions

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Legacy

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  • Not necessarily. She organized it and was its first president. But it was pretty much run by women of good financial means in Honolulu. There were subsequent other presidents, and the good it did lasted beyond her death. I look at it this way: Danny Thomas built St. Jude's Hospital in his lifetime. But St. Jude's is still there and is very much a part of his legacy. — Maile (talk) 00:45, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Good example, in the Danny Thomas article, it figures in the body of the article, here:Danny Thomas#Philanthropy.–CaroleHenson (talk) 00:51, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@KAVEBEAR: Is there a way you would like to handle this? Should it be moved up to Public life? I can see it in either section, but should only be in one of them, I think. Whatever you think, I'll go along with. — Maile (talk) 01:04, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I reckon we keep it where it is for balance otherwise, she doesn't have much of a legacy. KAVEBEAR (talk) 02:51, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Here is my thinking: I had a hard time understanding from the article why she was so revered. This helps explain it. It's my theory, based on info about people quickly scanning articles, that it is less likely to be read in the legacy section.
You could put the part about her founding the org in the body of the article and in the legacy section that she is remembered for this work.
This does not sound like a neutral comment. It's isn't the purpose of Wikipedia to promote people. That shouldn't be a decision criteria. Besides, her legacy isn't made or diminished by what is written in Wikipedia. Her legacy is the way she lived her life - and readers should get a sense of that as they read the article - they don't need to be spoon-fed what her legacy is.
I am not really understanding why there is reluctance on this article. I have backed off on a number of suggestions. Did you just want a rubber stamp for a review? I am not sure if I should pass the article because I am concerned that it will not be stable for future editors who may have a different approach. None of my suggestions have been major issues - so I am a bit gobsmacked.–CaroleHenson (talk) 03:33, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Do you think it would serve better in the Public life section? I can see it both ways. My reluctance was that it would diminish the legacy section. Lot of contents can go in one or more places. See these changes. KAVEBEAR (talk) 03:49, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I think that looks really good! Did you want to add something to the Legacy section about how her philanthropic work lived on after her death? Since there is now a Philanthropy section, what do you think about adding a heading for "Governor"?–CaroleHenson (talk) 09:05, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Done.KAVEBEAR (talk) 09:09, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Changed section to "Memorials and namesakes" since legacy is more in her musical compositions and her daughter. KAVEBEAR (talk) 03:59, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I saw that and like it!–CaroleHenson (talk) 09:35, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent, this section is  Done–CaroleHenson (talk) 09:35, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ancestry

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This is just an FYI. Not even a suggestion.–CaroleHenson (talk) 01:44, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
If you go to Ancestry and then "Ancestors of Likelike" - now the first item, that is what I am talking about.
It's up to you, but it either needs citations where there are none, or to be removed. I know it's a pain, I recently cleaned up ancestral info for Thomas Jefferson and Abraham Lincoln and when I had to find sources, I found that some info was wrong. So, it's good to ensure it's properly cited.–CaroleHenson (talk) 03:38, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I just removed it and left the actual family tree which is cited. KAVEBEAR (talk) 04:16, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, sounds good.–CaroleHenson (talk) 09:08, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This section is  Done–CaroleHenson (talk) 09:34, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

New edits

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I see you have been hard at work polishing up the article. Here's a take on the recent edits per this diff

  • I see that there are changes to piped values for links, a caption,
  • A quote about her daughter
  • Edits re: the family estate
  • Participation in Kalākaua's coronation
  • Some minor edits
  • Edits to citations / references, in some cases to add archive links, in some cases to change citation style, and in a couple of places to add/change citations
  • Prophesy on her deathbed

After reviewing the edits, I don't have any comments or suggestions. They look good.–CaroleHenson (talk) 09:23, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I missed this Photographers, and one sketch artist, were there en mass to chronicle the historic event. in the Funeral and burial section. Do you have a citation for it?–CaroleHenson (talk) 09:27, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I made a few minor edits here–CaroleHenson (talk) 09:33, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@CaroleHenson: Added source. KAVEBEAR (talk) 09:50, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

GA criteria

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GA review
(see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose, spelling, and grammar):
    b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): }
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (references):
    b (citations to reliable sources):
    c (OR):
    d (copyvio and plagiarism):
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects):
    b (focused):
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias: }
  5. It is stable.
    No edit wars, etc.:
  6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales):
    b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

Overall:
Pass/Fail:

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Comments

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  • The article is well-written. There are a couple of suggestions for tweaks to the article. (1a)
  • The article conforms to MOS guidelines. (1b)
  • Content is properly cited to reliable sources, there is no evidence of original research. (2a, 2b, 2c)
  • The copyvio report only shows source info that is both in the article and the source. (2d)
  • It covers the majors aspects, without going into too much detail. For future reference, if possible, it would be nice to have a little more info about her time as a governor, why she was asked to leave, and a bit more info about why she was so revered. (3a, 3b)
  • The article is neutral and is stable right now. Based on the degree of inflexibility to find compromise solutions / wording, I wonder how it will be when someone other that the two recent editors (who absolutely have done a great job!) want to make a change. See Wikipedia:Ownership of content. (4, 5)
  • The images are properly licensed, relevant, and had good captions. I added the husband's name and a link to one caption.–CaroleHenson (talk) 01:31, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I am done and will put the article on hold.–CaroleHenson (talk) 01:31, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@CaroleHenson and Maile66: Addressed all comments. KAVEBEAR (talk) 02:54, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Excellent, thanks! I will take a look.–CaroleHenson (talk) 03:00, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I am going to take a break and come back to this tomorrow - because tomorrow is always a new day always has a possibility of turning over a new leaf and new attitude (and I am including myself in that transformational possibility)!–CaroleHenson (talk) 03:53, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
KAVEBEAR, Thanks so much for your edits / great solutions based upon my comments — and new edits. The article looks great! There is just one open question about a citation in the New edits section... and I gave you a diff to some minor edits that I made. I highlighted recent comments in purple to make them easier to find.–CaroleHenson (talk) 09:41, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent, the article passes as a good article!–CaroleHenson (talk) 10:11, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ladies-in-waiting

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Compositions section - Image of Likelike

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@KAVEBEAR: I do not believe the image used in that section is Likelike. For one thing, it doesn't look anything her, and the copyright is 12 years after she died. Please see Frank Davey. He left England in 1880 and worked in Paris and New York before working 10 years in California. After California, he worked throughout Asia before arriving in Hawaii. The time frame doesn't fit, ,and it does not look like Likelike. — Maile (talk) 16:22, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It’s not, it’s her daughter Kaʻiulani and labeled as such. Had to find a place for an image of her daughter and section contains references to Ainahau song as well.KAVEBEAR (talk) 17:04, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know nomination

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by 97198 (talk) 11:18, 19 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Likelike in 1885, photograph by James J. Williams
Likelike in 1885, photograph by James J. Williams
  • ... that Hawaiian princess Likelike (pictured) played the piano, guitar and ukulele and composed many songs including one about her home at ʻĀinahau?Source: "She played the piano and 'ukulele and guitar, and by the time..."..."Among the songs she wrote, her most famous is Ainahau, which tells of the Cleghorn residence in Waikiki..." Kanahele 1979, pp. 226.
    • ALT1:... that Hawaiian princess Likelike (pictured) died under mysterious circumstances in 1887 with rumors that she was malevolently prayed to death? Source: [5]

Improved to Good Article status by KAVEBEAR (talk) and Maile66 (talk). Nominated by KAVEBEAR (talk) at 09:53, 10 May 2020 (UTC).[reply]

@Epicgenius: I added the source in 3 places. Did I get it where you think it belongs? — Maile (talk) 18:45, 11 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Maile66: Yep, that works, thanks! epicgenius (talk) 20:20, 11 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: Yes
  • Interesting: Yes
  • Other problems: No - For ALT0, technically, the citation should also be repeated at the end of the sentences where the fact is mentioned. So for instance, These notable surviving compositions included ʻÂinahau, an ode to her private home where she composed most of her work, and Kuʻu Ipo Ika Heʻe Pue One (My Sweetheart), also known as Ka ʻOwē A Ke Kai which Kanahele postulated was "written for a sweetheart she never married".[10] ALT1 is fine in this regard.
QPQ: Done.

Overall: epicgenius (talk) 16:27, 11 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Fuzzy citations

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An 1870 blurb in the Pacific Commercial Advertiser is used to verify the 1875 birth of Likelike's daughter. Miniapolis 00:03, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Cleghorn's citizenship

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Cleghorn filed for Hawaiian naturalization on August 31, 1870 - week before the wedding. [6] Laws were possibly still in place requiring anyone who marry a Hawaiian woman to hold Hawaiian citizenship. KAVEBEAR (talk) 01:57, 28 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Likelike's 101st birthday celebration

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{{cite news |title=LikeLike's 100th birthday celebration |url=https://www.newspapers.com/clip/54481966/likelikes-101st-birthday-celebration/ |work=Honolulu Star-Bulletin |date=January 10, 1952
Just ran across this. Nice celebration. — Maile (talk) 22:51, 30 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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