Talk:Kayan people (Borneo)

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"THE PADAUNG HILL TRIBE OF THAILAND The Padaung is a group of the Karen people, a Sino-Thai ethnic minority of Myanmar (Burma). Around 2005, due to conflict with the military regime in Burma, many Padaung tribespeople fled into neighbouring Thailand. There they live in uncertain legal status in the border area, in villages where tourists are willing to pay to admire their particular body modification, which consists of coiling lengths of brass around the neck of tribeswomen. There are several myths surrounding the coils. Some think the coils protect from tiger bites, some think the coils make the women unattractive to neighbouring tribes, and so protected them against slave trades. The origin of the tradition is not known. Padaung women, when asked, usually know of these myths, but their own reason for wearing the coils is tribal identity, one associated with beauty, and because their mothers wore the rings. The rings, once on, are seldom removed. Contrary to myth, the women do not suffocate when the rings are removed. It was believed that women cheating on their husbands could have the rings removed as punishment, and thus had to lie down the rest of her life, to avoid the long neck breaking. Many women removed the coils when they became unfashionable in Burma, as the military government decided this tradition unnecessary, as Burma/Myanmar appealed entrace into the developing world. Also, many women have removed the rings for medical examinations. Most women, once their necks appear elongated, prefer to wear the rings, as their necks and collarbones are often bruised and discolored from being hidden behind brass. The collar, after 10 years or more of continous wear, feels like an integral part of the body. There are around 7,000 members of the Padaung tribe. There is one other tribe that has a similar practice. This is the Ndebele people of South Africa. They start wearing neck rings when they are married, around 12 years of age; these are individual rings closed around the neck, rather than a single coil, as with the Padaung. Source: wikipedia.org"

Lotsofissues 22:07, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Since they acknowledged that Wikipedia was their source, publishing a copy of it may be perfectly permissible. — BarrelProof (talk) 07:04, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

Naming

Because Padaung is a derogatory name, should we move this article to the name they prefer to be called? -zappa.jake (talk) 01:11, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

If "Padaung" is in fact derogatory, shouldn't that be pointed out in the article? Jaclyn 06:17, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Neck length disputed

I realize that this is not the greates site, but it seems like the research can be verified through various sites that may not be in English. Basically, the researcher Johan Van Roekeghem disputes that the neck is actually lengthened. He argues that the rib-cage is pressed down, giving the appearance of a long neck. See the site for some more details (and a couple of x-rays). [1] --Xaliqen

On another wikipage

"the 'giraffe-like' stretched necks (sometimes also other organs) of women among the Burmese Kayan tribe, the result of wearing brass coils around them. This compresses the collarbone and upper ribs but is not medically dangerous. It is a myth that removing the rings will cause the neck to 'flop'; Padaung women remove them regularly for cleaning etc."

This contradicts what this article states. --T. Moitie ^[talk] 15:29, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

There is currently no mention of necks in this article. My understanding is that neck lengthening is practiced among the Kayan of Myanmar rather than the Kayan of Borneo. Please see the other article. — BarrelProof (talk) 06:09, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

Related to Borneo Kayan?

Are these people related to the hill dwelling Kayan of northern central Borneo? Maybe they just share a similar name? If so could this be said in the article as the Dayak tribe of Kayan links here and Dayaks being defined as Tribes of inner Borneo can't settle in Burma per definition of the term Dayak! --T.woelk 17:05, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

They pretty obviously just share a similar name. And given that the Borneo people are much the more sizeable ethnic group (75,000), it`s actually pretty weird that "Kayan" leads you only to this article.

Are there Kayan people contributing to the article?

I'm just curious. Most of it reads like it was written by a bunch of European missionaries in the 19th Century. Articles on groups of people are best when written by actual members of those groups – Morganfitzp 03:40, 29 July 2006 (UTC).

Considering that there are fewer than 10,000 Kayan, with most living in isolated areas of Myanmar, or in Thai refugee camps, it would be hard to imagine that they would have resources to contribute to this article. --Hintha 23:45, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

A little info founded from Britannica.com

Although I am a Kayan from Miri however I am unable to provide any info about the Kayan because I was not brought up the Kayan way. But I do know that the number of Kayan migrating to Miri is increasing and it is not easy find Kayans living in long houses anymore.I would very much want to contribute more infomation about my tribe so I put in a tiny weenie effort by surfing brtitannica.com. so, here it is:

Kayan is the indigenous people of central Borneo, grouped with the Kenyah and several lesser groups under the general name Bahau. Numbering about 27,000 in the late 20th century, the Kayan are settled mainly along the middle reaches of the Baram, Bintulu, and Rajang rivers in Sarawak. In Indonesian Borneo the Kayan live mainly near the headwaters of the Kayan River and along the middle reaches of the Mahakam and Kapuas rivers.

The Kayan live on the banks of rivers—navigable by canoes—in long houses that individually may contain 50 or more family apartments. The extensive quarters of the chief are often decorated with carvings and murals and are in the centre of the house. Several houses may be grouped to form a village. The Kayan have a subsistence economy based on shifting cultivation, hill rice being grown on clearings in the rain forest. Sago is a subsidiary crop; fishing, hunting, and the collection of forest produce are other important economic activities. Many of the Kayan are skilled blacksmiths, and they are noted for their fine craftsmanship and traditional art. Kayan society has a class system, class endogamy being marked among the aristocrats. Formerly the Kayan practiced head-hunting and were in frequent conflict with the Iban and other Dyak tribes. The Kayan have an elaborate traditional religion with a pantheon of gods, a wide range of animistic beliefs, and such ritual institutions as shamanism and augury. Many Kayan of Sarawak are Christians.

reference: Kayan. (2006). In Encyclopædia Britannica. Retrieved August 12, 2006, from Encyclopædia Britannica Premium Service: http://cache.britannica.com/eb/article-9044919

NAME of the TRIBE

I think that the name should be discussed more. I discover over 5 different names for this tribe. I think I will stick with the Thai name for this tribe witch is "Kariang-Khoyaw" or "Khoyaw".

I think this calls for a disambiguation page. A lot of people have been confusing the Kayan tribe in IndoChina and Kayan tribe in Borneo,and both do not share anything in common (culture and language-wise) except for their tribename.

--Danazach (talk) 23:39, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Further reading

I've removed the commentary from the 1912 Gutenberg link. It goes without saying that sources not explicitly stated as NPOV cannot be counted on to be as such. Stating "somewhat pov" only serves to malign the source. 65.110.233.169 (talk) 06:31, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Origin

Is there an actual study that actually shows that Kayan people came from the Indonesian part of Borneo? Matahari Pagi (talk) 10:58, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

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